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Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

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Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby Zla'od » 07 Oct 2013, 19:13

A colleague tells me that according to the United Daily News, a MOE spokesman has indicated that soon--like, in the next month or so--foreign professors teaching at national universities will be permitted to apply for ROC citizenship, without having to give up their previous citizenships. This is part of a package of reforms aimed at boosting the competitiveness of Taiwan's universities, by making them more effective in recruiting foreign professors. Apparently foreign professors at such schools are presently ineligible to receive monthly pensions, so the reform would solve this problem by making them no longer "foreign."

So, can anyone confirm or correct this? A few months ago, the American Chamber of Commerce newsletter indicated that something like this was under discussion.

And yes, I realize that this would be deeply unfair to other kinds of foreigners who lack these connections.
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Re: Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby afterspivak » 07 Oct 2013, 20:01

The pension issue you mentioned has been discussed for some time now and has to date gone nowhere. Any links regarding these (*ahem*) unusual developments would be much appreciated.

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Re: Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby hsinhai78 » 07 Oct 2013, 20:47

Zla'od wrote:A colleague tells me that according to the United Daily News, a MOE spokesman has indicated that soon--like, in the next month or so--foreign professors teaching at national universities will be permitted to apply for ROC citizenship, without having to give up their previous citizenships. This is part of a package of reforms aimed at boosting the competitiveness of Taiwan's universities, by making them more effective in recruiting foreign professors. Apparently foreign professors at such schools are presently ineligible to receive monthly pensions, so the reform would solve this problem by making them no longer "foreign."

So, can anyone confirm or correct this? A few months ago, the American Chamber of Commerce newsletter indicated that something like this was under discussion.

And yes, I realize that this would be deeply unfair to other kinds of foreigners who lack these connections.


Unless there is an amendment to the Nationality Act passed by the Legislative Yuan this is nothing but rumours.
There is no provision in the law to allow that - not even if there is public interest. That African-American basketball player who recently naturalised did not get to keep his US citizenship. And with the Legislative Yuan being in sort of a deadlock I don't see it coming anyways.

But this is all too typical for the Ministry of Education: making false promises and meddling in things they don't even have a say. Would not be the first time they do this, they already claimed paid internships of foreign students do not require a work permit. Yet when you ask the CLA and NIA - the agencies responsible - you will hear that work permits are still required.

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Re: Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby urodacus » 07 Oct 2013, 21:17

it would be nice to see the different arms of the government working together. Where is the strong guiding hand of the President now?

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Re: Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby hsinhai78 » 07 Oct 2013, 23:03

urodacus wrote:it would be nice to see the different arms of the government working together. Where is the strong guiding hand of the President now?

Ahah! in the cookie jar again.


That's not even the responsibility of the President, but rather of the Premier to ensure discipline among the different agencies under the Executive Yuan. After all he is the head of the EY.

People should not get fooled by what an unrelated government agency claims. Just because your local district office lets you join their volunteer activities does not mean you are actually permitted under the Immigration Act/ employment Services Act.

It's all quite tricky for people who think the government is monolithic.

But this idea of different naturalization requirements for professors of national universities is not more than some MoE official trying to get media attention.
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Re: Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby Hokwongwei » 07 Oct 2013, 23:11

While we're on it, what exactly is the president's job other than making appointments? I've never really been able to pinpoint where presidential power ends and the premier's power begins.
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Re: Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby hsinhai78 » 07 Oct 2013, 23:23

Hokwongwei wrote:While we're on it, what exactly is the president's job other than making appointments? I've never really been able to pinpoint where presidential power ends and the premier's power begins.


The ROC constitution names the president as head of state and commander-in-chief. He is also responsible for conducting foreign relations, such as concluding treaties, declaring war, and making peace. The president must promulgate all laws and has no right to veto, he can also grant amnesty, pardon or clemency as well as declare martial law, and confer decorations.

The precedence of the premier and president in diplomatic protocol is easy: President > Premier. Yet internally this not really clear as the EY is the highest executive power under the ROC constitution. Originally CKS did not even want to be the president but preferred being premier.
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Re: Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby hansioux » 08 Oct 2013, 13:28

but as it stands now, the premier is appointed by the president, without the need for a legislature approval. so basically premier does the president's bidding. Otherwise the president can also replace the premier with someone that will do as told. In essence it is no longer a real Parliamentary system, since the president controls all the executive power.

deadlock situations like disagreements between the president and the premier is a thing of the past (by that I mean before KMT fled to Taiwan.)
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Re: Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby Icon » 08 Oct 2013, 14:24

Back on the rumors topic: recently I've been hearing about several amendments in the alleged works which, if ever approved, would even allow "anchor babies". That for me is mindboggling, as I do not see them giving out citizenship just on the fact of being born here -instead of just bloodline, as it is now-, which has been a long struggle for locals, let alone foreigners. But one cannot help but dream...
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Re: Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby hsinhai78 » 08 Oct 2013, 16:42

hansioux wrote: deadlock situations like disagreements between the president and the premier is a thing of the past (by that I mean before KMT fled to Taiwan.)


The KMT was already in Taiwan before the ROC lost all of its territory except for Taiwan Province and parts of Fujian Province. But in essence you are right - a deadlock between President and EY would greatly destabilise the entire administration and make it impossible to govern the country.

Icon wrote:Back on the rumors topic: recently I've been hearing about several amendments in the alleged works which, if ever approved, would even allow "anchor babies". That for me is mindboggling, as I do not see them giving out citizenship just on the fact of being born here -instead of just bloodline, as it is now-, which has been a long struggle for locals, let alone foreigners. But one cannot help but dream...


Rumours, rumours, rumours. These kind of bills would not even make it to a first reading. Why would the ROC suddenly revert from jus sanguinis after that had been the established doctrine in the Nationality Act for the past hundred years?
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