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Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Who can and cannot be a dual national, as well as the joys and frustrations accompanying that status. Includes ROC Passport and Military Conscription issues
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Re: Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby Icon » 09 Oct 2013, 16:28

Yeah, and whities can bring awful ideas like working less than 12 hours a day. I understand. Point taken.

From one Oversize Chinese to another... *sigh* You sure you are in Taiwan? You talk as if you were on the other side of the Strait.
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Re: Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby hsinhai78 » 09 Oct 2013, 16:33

Icon wrote:Yeah, and whities can bring awful ideas like working less than 12 hours a day. I understand. Point taken.

From one Oversize Chinese to another... *sigh* You sure you are in Taiwan? You talk as if you were on the other side of the Strait.


Don't get me wrong, I detest these considerations just as much as anyone else. But it is important to explore the reasons why most Taiwanese would not be in favor of hundreds of white naturalisation applicants. Taiwanese want the upper hand and draw the line between outsiders and "ingroup".

I am in Taipei.
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Re: Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby afterspivak » 09 Oct 2013, 17:02

Who generally naturalises? Foreign brides who could not care less about losing a Vietnamese or Thai passport. These women are more or less invisible as they speak Chinese and live in the role their new Taiwanese family gives them. Their offspring will often never set foot in their mothers' homeland and the cultural background these children experience is not much different from any other Taiwanese child.


Like Icon, I can't help but wonder exactly where you live. The above statement is so disconnected from what is actually happening around us that it's hard to take the other things you have been saying seriously. These women are not "invisible" and their children have in fact put up with a lot of flack including being labelled as "deficient." There are lots of films about this subject. It might help to actually see them as these fellow residents are obviously way off your radar.

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Re: Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby Icon » 09 Oct 2013, 17:04

It is the way that you phrase it, as if outside looking in. But then neither of us are Native speakers, there can easily be misunderstandings.

I thought you were referring to why Beijing wouldn't like too many whities.
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Re: Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby afterspivak » 09 Oct 2013, 17:06

I am in Taipei.


I owe you an apology. Now I understand why you are so disconnected.

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Re: Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby Hokwongwei » 09 Oct 2013, 17:11

afterspivak wrote:
I am in Taipei.


I owe you an apology. Now I understand why you are so disconnected.

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Re: Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby headhonchoII » 09 Oct 2013, 17:12

Well he didn't seem to have a clue how local voting works in most of the island, but most people in Taipei don't its true.

There are massive numbers of immigrant spouses down South, it's not 99% Han at this stage.

I don't think Taiwanese have an opinion about white foreigners naturalising, it's not something on their radar, I dare say that many would be open to the idea, but there are a few dinosaurs in government who don't want to change anything. Most Taiwanese don't seem to know there is a requirement to give up original citizenship. I also doubt that pressure from China has any bearing on this one way or the other.
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Re: Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby hsinhai78 » 09 Oct 2013, 17:14

Icon wrote:It is the way that you phrase it, as if outside looking in. But then neither of us are Native speakers, there can easily be misunderstandings.

I thought you were referring to why Beijing wouldn't like too many whities.


I have a forensic approach, that's all. But I was referring to Taiwan.


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Who generally naturalises? Foreign brides who could not care less about losing a Vietnamese or Thai passport. These women are more or less invisible as they speak Chinese and live in the role their new Taiwanese family gives them. Their offspring will often never set foot in their mothers' homeland and the cultural background these children experience is not much different from any other Taiwanese child.


Like Icon, I can't help but wonder exactly where you live. The above statement is so disconnected from what is actually happening around us that it's hard to take the other things you have been saying seriously. These women are not "invisible" and their children have in fact put up with a lot of flack including being labelled as "deficient." There are lots of films about this subject. It might help to actually see them as these fellow residents are obviously way off your radar.

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You write it yourself: they are often seen as deficient. What Taiwanese in their inferiority complex do not want is whitey with a ROC ID doing whatever he pleases and possibly even changing society.

I don't see why you need to be so hostile - As written before I am not against dual nationality but find the spreading of rumours by the MoE silly. There will not be a real liberlisation in naturalisation procedures.
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Re: Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby headhonchoII » 09 Oct 2013, 17:16

Actually there has been substantial progress over the years regarding residency rights, the next step will happen sooner than later, and I think it is economic forces that are propelling it. The number of whites that would become citizens is still very few overall, something that would give residency to SE Asian workers would be much more controversial.
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Dual citizenship to be offered to foreign professors at national universities?

Postby hsinhai78 » 09 Oct 2013, 17:20

headhonchoII wrote: something that would give residency to SE Asian workers would be much more controversial.


I could not agree more with you. Any bill like that making it into the Legislative Yuan will have people of all political convictions march on the street. As I said: despite the blue/green divide in society there is unity in defining outsiders and "ingroup".

And as far as residency rights are concerned: APRC holders are deportable just as easy as an english teacher on an ARC. A one year conviction and you are out. If you are somehow seen as a danger for public order you are out. Taiwanese want it that way - hence the requirement to give your prior nationality for naturalisation. Taiwanese are very much aware that most Westerners do not want to forfeit their Western passport.
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