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Dual Nationality developments [March 2014]

Who can and cannot be a dual national, as well as the joys and frustrations accompanying that status. Includes ROC Passport and Military Conscription issues
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Re: Dual Nationality developments [March 2014]

Postby headhonchoII » 18 Dec 2014, 21:08

Recently I saw a doctor in a well
known Taipei hospital.
He and his staff were Gobsmacked that I didn't have a Taiwan ID or passport (they asked how long I have been here..going on 15 yrs) these legislators are holding up progress.
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Re: Dual Nationality developments [March 2014]

Postby JackMack » 21 Jan 2015, 19:10

My son is Taiwanese (Taiwanese mother, South African father). We want him to have an SA passport so he can travel there easily, but we obviously don't want him to lose his Taiwan citizenship/passport. Does anyone know if Taiwanese citizens lose their citizenship if they get SA citizenship?
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Re: Dual Nationality developments [March 2014]

Postby Mr He » 21 Jan 2015, 19:21

They do not unless SA requires them to renounce.
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Re: Dual Nationality developments [March 2014]

Postby teggs » 21 Jan 2015, 21:32

JackMack wrote:My son is Taiwanese (Taiwanese mother, South African father). We want him to have an SA passport so he can travel there easily, but we obviously don't want him to lose his Taiwan citizenship/passport. Does anyone know if Taiwanese citizens lose their citizenship if they get SA citizenship?


My daughter (5 mo) already has her tw and sa passports so it's definitely possible! I think it becomes more tedious the longer you leave it so better apply sooner rather than later.

Did you register the birth at the SA liaison office? How old is he?
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Re: Dual Nationality developments [March 2014]

Postby Icon » 12 Jun 2015, 12:00

Not looking good, one step forward, four steps back. Check out today's Taipei Times article:

The only improvement made by the ministry’s proposal is the change to the regulation that requires immigrants to relinquish their previous nationality before applying for naturalization, the groups said.

“However, the revision still requires the applicant to provide a certificate proving they have given up their previous nationality within one year of naturalization, which is rather fast, as the process of nationality-renunciation can take up to three years in some countries,” TIFA office director Lee Tan-feng (李丹鳳) said.


But:
Several civic groups yesterday criticized the Ministry of the Interior’s proposed amendments to the Nationality Act (國籍法), saying they failed to make any progressive changes to the existing law, which they say violates the human rights of immigrants.
..
Chen Yi (陳逸), the director of the Awakening Foundation’s volunteer and empowering programs, said that “decent behavior” is not a legal term and would provide too much discretionary power to the relevant authorities.

“What is more, Taiwanese society has a gender-biased view when it comes to the conditions to be met for achieving so-called ‘decency.’ For example, on sexual behavior and marital and family obligations, women are generally judged with a different standard from that used for men. Upholding this restriction is tantamount to threatening immigrants with punishment for failing to fall in line with sexual fidelity and morality,” Chen added.

The new proposal would not see an amendment to the articles stipulating that naturalization could be “withdrawn” if the person is found “not conforming to the provisions of this Act within five years” and that the restriction that naturalized foreign nationals have no right to hold government offices could be lifted only after 10 years of naturalization.

“Aren’t we citizens after getting the national identification card? However, the fact is that naturalization does not bring us equal rights,” an immigrant said.
...
He called the current regulations a tool for executing “[social] class and sexual control.”

“Many Taiwanese have dual nationalities, so why is it so hard for immigrants to become Taiwanese? And while our legislators can go to [a motel to commit adultery], immigrants are not allowed to work in a hostess club to feed their families for the sake of ‘decency,’” he said.

The cross-caucus negotiations yesterday failed to take place with the absence of Democratic Progressive Party lawmakers, whose call to drop the terms requiring “decency” was opposed by Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) Legislator Wu Yu-sheng (吳育昇), who said the removal of those terms would go against the nation’s traditional values and ethics.

Wu, ironically, is the lawmaker that Chiu referred to when making the remark about legislators embroiled in adultery scandals.


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Re: Dual Nationality developments [March 2014]

Postby BlownWideOpen » 12 Jun 2015, 12:47

"“Many Taiwanese have dual nationalities, so why is it so hard for immigrants to become Taiwanese? And while our legislators can go to [a motel to commit adultery], immigrants are not allowed to work in a hostess club to feed their families for the sake of ‘decency,’” he said."

--- this quote just says it all doesn't it
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Re: Dual Nationality developments [March 2014]

Postby headhonchoII » 12 Jun 2015, 12:55

Democracy for us, limited freedom for you. This kind of stone walling harms Taiwan immensely and prevents long term foreign residents participating fully in society, but some in the KMT only want to have this little island under control for themselves and don't want it to become more international in feeling.
The population as a whole is ignorant of the issue.
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Re: Dual Nationality developments [March 2014]

Postby hsinhai78 » 12 Jun 2015, 17:41

headhonchoII wrote:Democracy for us, limited freedom for you. This kind of stone walling harms Taiwan immensely and prevents long term foreign residents participating fully in society, but some in the KMT only want to have this little island under control for themselves and don't want it to become more international in feeling.
The population as a whole is ignorant of the issue.


The population is ignorant of the issue because they choose to be ignorant of it. Never forget it's your neighbour, coworker and family voting these politicians into office. With CCR, foreign sausage and foreign brides (that is essentially how most Taiwanese see immigration) being the main themes of the debate, I am surprised any amendments will be made at all.
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Re: Dual Nationality developments [March 2014]

Postby BlownWideOpen » 12 Jun 2015, 17:50

yip, exactly
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Re: Dual Nationality developments [March 2014]

Postby dan2006 » 12 Jun 2015, 22:17

Who cares if you need to renounce now or later.. end result is you are still renouncing your original citizenship.

Non story, why even bother with these so called amendments. Waste of politicians time with no added value to anyone
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