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ABC wondering about ID

Who can and cannot be a dual national, as well as the joys and frustrations accompanying that status. Includes ROC Passport and Military Conscription issues
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ABC wondering about ID

Postby super_ninchendo » 22 Jul 2014, 09:30

Hi,
So I have been asking around trying to get answers about how or should I apply for my ID card for some time now but no one seems to know the exact rules on if/when/how I can apply for it. I was born in the USA and lived their my whole life until a year ago I applied for my Overseas Chinese ROC passport because my dad's side of the family is Chinese and lived in Taiwan a long long time ago, and I have been living in Taiwan since last August. I am 24 years old and currently have an ARC card and an overseas Chinese visa with my passport. So any help I can get on the matter if I am eligible what military duties might come with applying would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: ABC wondering about ID

Postby IceEagle » 23 Jul 2014, 06:22

super_ninchendo wrote:Hi,
So I have been asking around trying to get answers about how or should I apply for my ID card for some time now but no one seems to know the exact rules on if/when/how I can apply for it. I was born in the USA and lived their my whole life until a year ago I applied for my Overseas Chinese ROC passport because my dad's side of the family is Chinese and lived in Taiwan a long long time ago, and I have been living in Taiwan since last August. I am 24 years old and currently have an ARC card and an overseas Chinese visa with my passport. So any help I can get on the matter if I am eligible what military duties might come with applying would be greatly appreciated.


There's a pretty good write up here: http://js-nationalitylawmustknows.blogs ... itary.html (though I think the transition date to end 1 year conscription duty has been moved from end of 2014 to 2017).
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Re: ABC wondering about ID

Postby super_ninchendo » 24 Jul 2014, 14:24

Okay thank you! so seems like I don't have any military obligations now if I stay in Taiwan for a long period of time unless I apply for the ID correct?
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Re: ABC wondering about ID

Postby IceEagle » 24 Jul 2014, 23:54

super_ninchendo wrote:Okay thank you! so seems like I don't have any military obligations now if I stay in Taiwan for a long period of time unless I apply for the ID correct?


Actually, I am not sure. Since your father's side lived in Taiwan in the past, there's probably a household registration for your family. I do recall that there's a rule stating that once someone gets drafted, they're required to establish household registration in Taiwan immediately... so the lack of one won't necessarily prevent you from getting drafted.
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Re: ABC wondering about ID

Postby super_ninchendo » 28 Jul 2014, 14:53

My fathers side only his parents lived in Taiwan but that was like more than 50 years ago...they have lived in the US ever since. I don't think they would still have their registration but maybe i should check with them.
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Re: ABC wondering about ID

Postby IceEagle » 28 Jul 2014, 20:32

super_ninchendo wrote:My fathers side only his parents lived in Taiwan but that was like more than 50 years ago...they have lived in the US ever since. I don't think they would still have their registration but maybe i should check with them.


I would definitely do that. Judging by other posts on this forum, it seems that they do have records going back a very, very long way: http://www.forumosa.com/taiwan/viewtopi ... 8#p1348325

I don't know if having grandparents on the father's side is too far off or not. If it was your father that had the ID or HHR, then it'd be a definite yes: http://www.forumosa.com/taiwan/viewtopi ... 0#p1398024

However, I find this discouraging, as it suggests you would be eligible to establish household registration through your grandfather: http://www.immigration.gov.tw/ct.asp?xI ... &mp=iff_en

(The implication being that if you're eligible to establish HHR right away through your relatives, then you're also eligible to be drafted.)
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Re: ABC wondering about ID

Postby super_ninchendo » 29 Jul 2014, 15:22

Okay so some of the things they are saying about Jeremy Lin makes sense and is similar to my situation, but I have been in Taiwan for more than 183 days working but haven't gotten a notice, is that because my company gave me an ARC card which has let me leave Taiwan a couple of times to visit America without having any issues?
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Re: ABC wondering about ID

Postby IceEagle » 29 Jul 2014, 23:33

super_ninchendo wrote:Okay so some of the things they are saying about Jeremy Lin makes sense and is similar to my situation, but I have been in Taiwan for more than 183 days working but haven't gotten a notice, is that because my company gave me an ARC card which has let me leave Taiwan a couple of times to visit America without having any issues?


Hmm, if you were born before 1983 then you would be under the 4 month rule instead. That might explain it.
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Re: ABC wondering about ID

Postby super_ninchendo » 31 Jul 2014, 13:59

oh okay so being born after that makes everything okay?
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Re: ABC wondering about ID

Postby IceEagle » 31 Jul 2014, 17:14

super_ninchendo wrote:oh okay so being born after that makes everything okay?


No. Being born before 1984 puts you under the 4 month rule. Being born afterwards puts you under the 183 days rule (the same one that applies to Jeremy Lin).
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