Click here to go to our new forums at http://tw.forumosa.com
If you are a Forumosan Regular, when you log in for the FIRST TIME, you must RESET your password by using the Password Recovery system.

Usernames on the new forums must not contain any SPACES and must end with LETTER or a NUMBER; if yours does, you will be prompted to change your Username
Contact us at admin(at)forumosa(dot)com or @forumosa on Twitter or on our Facebook Page if you have any questions or problems logging back in

How to get Taiwan Citizenship - Primer, FAQ, and Resources

Who can and cannot be a dual national, as well as the joys and frustrations accompanying that status. Includes ROC Passport and Military Conscription issues
Forum rules
While the moderators are happy to help point people in the right direction for legal assistance and to attempt to keep these forums civil and tidy, please bear in mind that an Internet forum is not the place for providing or receiving legal advice or for the creation of any attorney-client privileges or obligations. Also keep in mind that Forumosa and the moderators cannot conduct comprehensive reviews of all laws or legal concepts referenced or discussed within these forums – laws and regulations are updated and amended, interpretations do change, and sometimes the legal landscape can change very fast. Forumosa provides these legal forums for general informational purposes only. By using these legal forums, you agree that the information does not constitute legal or other professional advice and no attorney-client or other relationship is created between you and any other posters on these forums. DO NOT CONSIDER THE FORUMS TO BE A SUBSTITUTE FOR OBTAINING LEGAL ADVICE FROM A QUALIFIED LICENSED ATTORNEY.

Re: How to get Taiwan Citizenship - Primer, FAQ, and Resources

Postby Zla'od » 18 Feb 2016, 09:43

Spring Onion wrote:
For citizenship, you definitely need a Police Clearance Certificate if you are Single and/or Have an APRC


To be clear, does this mean that a married person with an APRC (i.e., not a JFRV but nevertheless married) must do the police clearance?

I second the call for this thread to be replaced. Not that I'm unwilling to read 122 pages, but it's hard to know which information can still be relied upon. (Perhaps Tsai Ying-wen's administration will order further changes--please, Amitabha, please!) Ideally the first post would contain updated, correct information on naturalization, with discussion kept on other, non-pinned pages.
“What part of a woman is the yet, anyway? I heard there was a fight here in Tulsa, and a woman was shot in the fracas. The doc said the bullet is in her yet. And how did the bullet get in her yet, when she was shot in the fracas?"
Zla'od
Martyr's Shrine Guard (zhōngliècí wèibīng)
Martyr's Shrine Guard (zhōngliècí wèibīng)
 
Posts: 1702
Joined: 05 Aug 2009, 08:36



Re: How to get Taiwan Citizenship - Primer, FAQ, and Resources

Postby Daughter » 18 Feb 2016, 18:08

Hi!

Please help me how can my mother petition me to permanently live in Taiwan? I'm a Filipino citizen and my mother is Taiwan citizen since she got married to Taiwanese.

Thank you in advance.
Daughter
Ink Still Wet in Passport (shífēn xīnshǒu)
Ink Still Wet in Passport (shífēn xīnshǒu)
 
Posts: 4
Joined: 18 Feb 2016, 15:49



Re: How to get Taiwan Citizenship - Primer, FAQ, and Resources

Postby kabob » 22 Feb 2016, 20:02

I have a question about the police clearance and travel after the issuance of the pre-naturalization certificate. For a (former) US citizen, what happens if you need to travel after you renounce, but before the Certificate of Loss of Nationality has been approved by the Dept. of State? (There is a new rule where you can keep your passport while they process the paperwork, which can take a couple to a few months) Would you need a new police certificate?

What about in the case that you travel to a different diplomatic outpost to resign and then use a stateless person's travel document to return to Taiwan? First of all, can you reenter the country (Taiwan) on your ARC/APRC which was linked to your old passport? There must be a procedure for that because some countries like Myanmar require one to return to the home country to renounce. Secondly, would you need a police certificate issued after you return to Taiwan or simply one issued on the date of renunciation or later?

Obviously, renouncing in Taiwan and staying there all the way until you have an ROC passport in hand is the safest course, but I'm wondering what my options are.
kabob
Ink Still Wet in Passport (shífēn xīnshǒu)
Ink Still Wet in Passport (shífēn xīnshǒu)
 
Posts: 4
Joined: 11 May 2011, 02:36



Re: How to get Taiwan Citizenship - Primer, FAQ, and Resources

Postby springonion » 10 Mar 2016, 01:23

To be clear, does this mean that a married person with an APRC (i.e., not a JFRV but nevertheless married) must do the police clearance?
AFAIK, there are 2 routes we can choose towards the path to Naturalization...The Single Route or the Married Route...If you're Married but did not apply for the JFRV, then you will have to go the Single route & need to do the PCC. The reason why JFRV holders do not need a PCC is because they have already done it during the JFRV process.

Please help me how can my mother petition me to permanently live in Taiwan? I'm a Filipino citizen and my mother is Taiwan citizen since she got married to Taiwanese.
I don't think there's any way your mother can sponsor you to live permanently here in Taiwan (or the other way around) ...Your only option is to work legally here for 5 years on a continuous ARC and then apply for an APRC/Taiwan ID or get married to a Taiwanese and apply for the Taiwan ID after 3 years.

I have a question about the police clearance and travel after the issuance of the pre-naturalization certificate. For a (former) US citizen, what happens if you need to travel after you renounce, but before the Certificate of Loss of Nationality has been approved by the Dept. of State? (There is a new rule where you can keep your passport while they process the paperwork, which can take a couple to a few months) Would you need a new police certificate?
Once the pre-naturalization certificate (officially referred to as the "Quasi Naturalization Certificate") has been issued to you, then you will be warned by the HHR official NOT to travel outside Taiwan as doing so will require you to get a new PCC. Unless you have received the Certificate of Renunciation from your Country, you're still its Citizen and hence your passport is still valid but then again, it is highly advisable NOT to make any unnecessary travel during this period as any travel AFTER receiving the Quasi Cert. will require you to make a new PCC.

What about in the case that you travel to a different diplomatic outpost to resign and then use a stateless person's travel document to return to Taiwan? First of all, can you reenter the country (Taiwan) on your ARC/APRC which was linked to your old passport? There must be a procedure for that because some countries like Myanmar require one to return to the home country to renounce. Secondly, would you need a police certificate issued after you return to Taiwan or simply one issued on the date of renunciation or later?
Once you have renounced your Original Passport and become Stateless and have successfully received your Naturalization certificate, you will get your TARC (Taiwan Area Resident Certificate). With the TARC, you can apply for a Taiwanese passport and leave the country but then you will need to wait 2 years to get your Taiwan ID as opposed to the 1 year for those who haven't left Taiwan. I'm not sure what procedure Myanmar citizens have to go through but I do know some countries do not allow you to renounce unless you have proof of Citizenship of another country...in this case, you are waived from providing a Renunciation Certificate.

Ohh...only about 3+ mths to go before I get my Taiwan ID ...Woo Hoo!!! :)
“Sometimes the hardest part isn't letting go but rather learning to start over.” ― Nicole Sobon
springonion
Mastered ordering "beer" in Chinese (jīngtōng le yòng Guóyǔ shuō "píjiǔ")
Mastered ordering "beer" in Chinese (jīngtōng le yòng Guóyǔ shuō "píjiǔ")
 
Posts: 114
Joined: 06 Mar 2007, 13:18
Location: Xin Zhuang / Hsin Chuang



Re: How to get Taiwan Citizenship - Primer, FAQ, and Resources

Postby Zla'od » 10 Mar 2016, 06:24

The reason why JFRV holders do not need a PCC is because they have already done it during the JFRV process.


You're probably right about the requirement, but police clearance is required during the APRC proess as well.

EDIT: Spring Onion applied via APRC, and had been divorced from an ROC citizen (and had not left the country for more than 3 months since the divorce). His posts begin on p. 118, and are a good place to start for APRC holders reading this huge thread. He reports providing the following documents:

1) Certificate of Residence in ROC (居留證明書) - 2 days to process
2) Proof of Chinese Language ability. I used my Shi-Da's record of study - Paid NT$50 at the vending machine in Shi-Da and got it immediately.
3) APRC
4) Passport
5) NT$200 Postal Order to be made out in the Ministry of the Interior's name (內政部)


He adds that a Police Clearance Certificate is "definitely required," but was apparently excused from having to provide a new one on the rather esoteric grounds that he had not left the ROC for more than three months since his divorce (but is that cumulative or per departure?).

BTW, where is this Shi-Da vending machine (item 2)? And...how many semesters there are enough? Otherwise I guess the alternative is to either join a Foreign Bride class, or take that multiple-choice exam that Northwest Surfer has so capably analyzed for us.
“What part of a woman is the yet, anyway? I heard there was a fight here in Tulsa, and a woman was shot in the fracas. The doc said the bullet is in her yet. And how did the bullet get in her yet, when she was shot in the fracas?"
Zla'od
Martyr's Shrine Guard (zhōngliècí wèibīng)
Martyr's Shrine Guard (zhōngliècí wèibīng)
 
Posts: 1702
Joined: 05 Aug 2009, 08:36



Re: How to get Taiwan Citizenship - Primer, FAQ, and Resources

Postby springonion » 11 Mar 2016, 00:49

You're probably right about the requirement, but police clearance is required during the APRC proess as well.
According to Icon on p.119, the new APRC rules state that anyone applying for an APRC now DO NOT have to provide a PCC if they have not left the country for more than 3 mths nor do they need to do a Medical Health Check.

He adds that a Police Clearance Certificate is "definitely required," but was apparently excused from having to provide a new one on the rather esoteric grounds that he had not left the ROC for more than three months since his divorce (but is that cumulative or per departure?).
Yes, there is a clause in the Application form that states "If the applicant has been previously married and divorced with a Taiwanese Citizen and never left the country AFTER the divorce, then he/she need not submit the Police Clearance from their Original Country". I posted the Application Form (In Chinese) on p.119. This particular rule is mentioned in point #5. So even if you leave Taiwan for a day after your divorce, you will be required to submit a PCC.

BTW, where is this Shi-Da vending machine (item 2)? And...how many semesters there are enough? Otherwise I guess the alternative is to either join a Foreign Bride class, or take that multiple-choice exam that Northwest Surfer has so capably analyzed for us.
The vending machines are located in the main office building of Shi-Da's Mandarin Training Center (I think it's the 6th or 7th floor). You need to show a minimum of 200 Hours of study to qualify or if you're above the age of 65, then you need to only show 72 hours of study....and yes, the other alternative is to sit for the exam and get a minimum of 70% or if you're above the age of 65, then 50% is sufficient.
“Sometimes the hardest part isn't letting go but rather learning to start over.” ― Nicole Sobon
springonion
Mastered ordering "beer" in Chinese (jīngtōng le yòng Guóyǔ shuō "píjiǔ")
Mastered ordering "beer" in Chinese (jīngtōng le yòng Guóyǔ shuō "píjiǔ")
 
Posts: 114
Joined: 06 Mar 2007, 13:18
Location: Xin Zhuang / Hsin Chuang



Re: How to get Taiwan Citizenship - Primer, FAQ, and Resources

Postby Icon » 11 Mar 2016, 09:47

Guys, that is basically because the marrie dfolk have already presented the police certificate when they applied for their visas, so it is redundant to present it again. My argument then is why we single folk with APRCs must present it again. Not fair! Goose, gander, and all that jazz.

Caveat emptor about Shi-Da. I haven't used the machine -and probably can't as I was a student almost 20 years ago- but when I got my certificates some 10 years ago, the data in the Chinese and English versisons did not match and was even lacking in several places. But as long as you have the requisite hours just fine.
Lo urgente no deja tiempo para lo importante. Mafalda.

None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Eat the delicious food. Walk in the sunshine. Jump in the ocean. Say the truth that you’re carrying in your heart like hidden treasure. Be silly. Be kind. Be weird. There’s no time for anything else.
User avatar
Icon
Guan Yin (Guānyīn)
 
Posts: 19075
Joined: 09 Feb 2006, 18:03
Location: Xindian



Re: How to get Taiwan Citizenship - Primer, FAQ, and Resources

Postby springonion » 11 Mar 2016, 13:06

Icon wrote:Guys, that is basically because the marrie dfolk have already presented the police certificate when they applied for their visas, so it is redundant to present it again. My argument then is why we single folk with APRCs must present it again. Not fair! Goose, gander, and all that jazz.

Caveat emptor about Shi-Da. I haven't used the machine -and probably can't as I was a student almost 20 years ago- but when I got my certificates some 10 years ago, the data in the Chinese and English versisons did not match and was even lacking in several places. But as long as you have the requisite hours just fine.


Yeah...when I applied for my APRC 7 years ago, I was required to do my PCC and since I never left the country after that, according to logic, I should not need to do it again for my ID process...but hell no!!...Everyone with an APRC MUST provide one!! ..This is probably due to the change in the APRC Rules where a PCC is no longer required...so the authorities decided since new APRC holders did not do a PCC, they must do one for their ID...thus penalizing all those "Old" APRC holders who had done it before.
“Sometimes the hardest part isn't letting go but rather learning to start over.” ― Nicole Sobon
springonion
Mastered ordering "beer" in Chinese (jīngtōng le yòng Guóyǔ shuō "píjiǔ")
Mastered ordering "beer" in Chinese (jīngtōng le yòng Guóyǔ shuō "píjiǔ")
 
Posts: 114
Joined: 06 Mar 2007, 13:18
Location: Xin Zhuang / Hsin Chuang



Re: How to get Taiwan Citizenship - Primer, FAQ, and Resources

Postby springonion » 11 Mar 2016, 13:21

Just had a chat with a friend who is about a week away from getting his ID....he went for his mandatory Health Check 2 weeks back and they tested his Blood and Stool samples...and he told me something interesting...the Health Check for the ID does not require a test for HIV now! (HIV Exempt Blood test) ....From what I heard years back, an HIV test was compulsory and if you tested positive, you do not get your ID and you're left Stateless. If this is the case, then it's good news!!
“Sometimes the hardest part isn't letting go but rather learning to start over.” ― Nicole Sobon
springonion
Mastered ordering "beer" in Chinese (jīngtōng le yòng Guóyǔ shuō "píjiǔ")
Mastered ordering "beer" in Chinese (jīngtōng le yòng Guóyǔ shuō "píjiǔ")
 
Posts: 114
Joined: 06 Mar 2007, 13:18
Location: Xin Zhuang / Hsin Chuang



Re: How to get Taiwan Citizenship - Primer, FAQ, and Resources

Postby Icon » 11 Mar 2016, 14:31

springonion wrote:Just had a chat with a friend who is about a week away from getting his ID....he went for his mandatory Health Check 2 weeks back and they tested his Blood and Stool samples...and he told me something interesting...the Health Check for the ID does not require a test for HIV now! (HIV Exempt Blood test) ....From what I heard years back, an HIV test was compulsory and if you tested positive, you do not get your ID and you're left Stateless. If this is the case, then it's good news!!


Plus not all nationalities require stool samples, only certain people from certain countries... yours truly among them.
Lo urgente no deja tiempo para lo importante. Mafalda.

None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Eat the delicious food. Walk in the sunshine. Jump in the ocean. Say the truth that you’re carrying in your heart like hidden treasure. Be silly. Be kind. Be weird. There’s no time for anything else.
User avatar
Icon
Guan Yin (Guānyīn)
 
Posts: 19075
Joined: 09 Feb 2006, 18:03
Location: Xindian



FRIENDLY REMINDER
   Please remember that Forumosa is not responsible for the content that appears on the other side of links that Forumosans post on our forums. As a discussion website, we encourage open and frank debate. We have learned that the most effective way to address questionable claims or accusations on Forumosa is by engaging in a sincere and constructive conversation. To make this website work, we must all feel safe in expressing our opinions, this also means backing up any claims with hard facts, including links to other websites.
   Please also remember that one should not believe everything one reads on the Internet, particularly from websites whose content cannot be easily verified or substantiated. Use your common sense and do not hesitate to ask for proof.
PreviousNext




Return to Dual Nationality



Who is online

Forumosans browsing this forum: No Forumosans and 3 guests