How to get Taiwan Citizenship - Primer, FAQ, and Resources

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Re: How to get Taiwan citizenship--primer, FAQ and resources.

Postby bismarck » 02 May 2012, 00:56

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Re: How to get Taiwan Citizenship - Primer, FAQ, and Resources

Postby speed_maniac » 03 May 2012, 22:10

that's a bit strange...i got my CC in November 2008 then went to China for 2 months due to work. Got back in early Jan and then renounced my citizenship. I got an official letter ( from my country of origin ) regarding the same in April and applied for the TARC. Everything went smoothly and I got my TARC in the second week of May.

It's a bit strange because once you renounce, you have to give up your passport ( at least that was what happened in my case ) so I really don't understand to how the MOI got to know, that the person in question, left Taiwan after getting his CC.

Of course as we know the rules keep changing so I really have no idea if this is the " new rule " as of 2012!!! I can only say it is a fucking crazy rule!!!
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Re: How to get Taiwan Citizenship - Primer, FAQ, and Resources

Postby bismarck » 03 May 2012, 23:30

speed_maniac wrote:It's a bit strange because once you renounce, you have to give up your passport ( at least that was what happened in my case ) so I really don't understand to how the MOI got to know, that the person in question, left Taiwan after getting his CC.

Good point!! So did I.

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Re: How to get Taiwan Citizenship - Primer, FAQ, and Resources

Postby jlick » 03 May 2012, 23:51

China's not a foreign country.
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Re: How to get Taiwan Citizenship - Primer, FAQ, and Resources

Postby bismarck » 03 May 2012, 23:56

jlick wrote:China's not a foreign country.

Of course it is. :eh:
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Re: How to get Taiwan Citizenship - Primer, FAQ, and Resources

Postby jlick » 04 May 2012, 00:00

bismarck wrote:
jlick wrote:China's not a foreign country.

Of course it is. :eh:

Not according to the R.O.C. constitution. My point is that they can't claim speed_maniac left the country without also claiming that China is a foreign country, which they will not do.
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Re: How to get Taiwan Citizenship - Primer, FAQ, and Resources

Postby bismarck » 04 May 2012, 11:06

jlick wrote:
bismarck wrote:
jlick wrote:China's not a foreign country.

Of course it is. :eh:

Not according to the R.O.C. constitution. My point is that they can't claim speed_maniac left the country without also claiming that China is a foreign country, which they will not do.

Ah, to have the DPP back in power.

On a lighter note, I have 77 days left in "prison". :discodance:
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Re: How to get Taiwan Citizenship - Primer, FAQ, and Resources

Postby speed_maniac » 04 May 2012, 13:10

Congrats Bis...

Jlick you do have a point but, if that was the case, they would have allowed me to travel to China after I got my TARC. I did ask them and they said No, you cannot leave Taiwan and that does not include China....so going to China would have been considered leaving Taiwan and going to another country....

Also there is no basis to demand that you get a a new criminal record check after you have renounced, as NCS pointed out, the US ( or any other country I guess ) will not let you renounce if you have a criminal record. When I renounced, my country of origin took 3 months to check everything and then gave me the certificate saying that I have renounced. It also meant, that I have a clean slate back home. It was not mentioned in the letter but the meaning was very obvious.

I think some dodo in the MOI Is bull shitting, does anyone know if this rule exists and is it there for all to see in black and white??
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Re: How to get Taiwan Citizenship - Primer, FAQ, and Resources

Postby jlick » 04 May 2012, 15:25

speed_maniac wrote:Jlick you do have a point but, if that was the case, they would have allowed me to travel to China after I got my TARC. I did ask them and they said No, you cannot leave Taiwan and that does not include China....so going to China would have been considered leaving Taiwan and going to another country...


TARC is Taiwan Area Resident Certificate, so it's not the same situation. At that point you have citizenship, but not household registration, and you have to complete a period of residency in the Taiwan Area in order to get household registration. In other words, the rules for the TARC are that you cannot leave the Taiwan Area without resetting the clock.
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Re: How to get Taiwan Citizenship - Primer, FAQ, and Resources

Postby speed_maniac » 04 May 2012, 15:50

doesn't it seem odd? If, China is a part of Taiwan Area as per the ROC constitution, then I would not be leaving the Taiwan area. It would be the same as going from Taipei to say Taichung....

Anyway the point is that the MOI cannot demand for a new CRC once you have renounced your original citizenship and already got the letter proving the same. Okay, let's say during the one year stay in Taiwan you contract a serious disease. You did not leave the country. At the time of the final medical exam they diagnosed you with this disease, then what? No Taiwan citizenship?? You followed their laid down rules to the T, if you contracted the disease while in Taiwan then who is to blame, you??

These are some of the fuck ups in their procedure, rules which do not have any logic. The one year rule after getting your TARC is ridiculous when they already have the 5 year rule. The one year rule is for overseas Chinese who already have an ROC passport but want to get an ID card, why should it apply to new immigrants??
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