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Dual citizen trying renew TW ID - please help

Who can and cannot be a dual national, as well as the joys and frustrations accompanying that status. Includes ROC Passport and Military Conscription issues
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Dual citizen trying renew TW ID - please help

Postby aceman » 20 Feb 2008, 10:29

Hi All,

Hope you guys can give some pointers. I am a dual (EU-Taiwan) citizen trying to renew his Taiwan ID. Basically my history is as follows. I was born in Taiwan with ID and Hukou (household registration) in Taipei County. When I was young, I left and my Hukou was relocated as overseas. When I came back years later, I have a Euro passport, Taiwan passport with Overseas stamp, and old ID that was still valid. I have no problems using the old ID for any processes, mainly for working as a local, banking purposes, and national health insurance. Hence, I never re-registered my Hukou in Taiwan since there was basically no need.

Now, the problem arises when the new IDs were implemented, like what, about a year ago. Since then my national health insurance got cancelled, and I cannot apply for new banking services.

So my questions are:

1) What is the process to re-register my Hukou in Taiwan, and get a new ID, and how long does that take?

2) How does this affect my military service status? I assume re-registering Hukou in Taiwan will trigger some system to draft me or activate my military requirements. Will I be albe to leave Taiwan, as I have previously done every 4 months? I know there's a way to get around it the military service, but what is the process and is it a hassle?

3) Once the Hukou is in Taiwan, I know you'd have to be away for two years for it to relocated outside again. Now, I plan to move temporarily to the US in a few months for 2 years, with the intent of coming back to Taiwan after that. Will visiting Taiwan during that 2 years be sufficient to keep my Hukou in Taiwan, or will it still be relocated outside? I would not want to go thru the process to re-register the Hukou now, then just to have it relocated outside again.


Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Re: Dual citizen trying renew TW ID - please help

Postby Incubus » 21 Feb 2008, 11:07

aceman wrote: How does this affect my military service status? I assume re-registering Hukou in Taiwan will trigger some system to draft me or activate my military requirements. Will I be albe to leave Taiwan, as I have previously done every 4 months? I know there's a way to get around it the military service, but what is the process and is it a hassle?

A good friend of mine is currently doing military service precisely because he had re-registered his hukou several years ago in order to cast a vote in the presidential election. Last year his grandmother passed away and he came back to Taiwan for her funeral on a US passport, thinking there wouldn't be a problem. Well, he was stopped at the airport trying to return to the US to finish grad school. Needless to say, grad school has been put on hold and he's got a real nice tan now. :D My suggestion is, don't risk it unless you're over the draftee age of 40 or have a real passion to vote for a certain presidential candidate.
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Postby ABC-Law » 21 Feb 2008, 11:27

From my own experience, to re-register your Hukou, you have to enter Taiwan with your ROC passport. Once you do that you have to go to the Immigration Office and get a record of your entries and exits into Taiwan. Then you take that to your local household registration office and apply to have your Hukou re-registered. It's pretty simple.

Be aware that the 4 months issue with military conscription counts even if you entered Taiwan on a foreign passport. It means that if even if you don't have HuKou, if you have stayed 4 months or longer for 3 times, you will be subject to military conscription. (I wasn't aware of this until I was told that I had stayed past 4 months twice using my foreign passport and that those would count against me. If I had stayed past 4 months once again, I would of have been subject to military conscription).

The actual rules for military conscription differ depending on if you were born before or after 1984. If before, they use the 4 months, if after, they use the 183 day total for a one year period.

I believe that keeping your Hukou shouldn't be a problem. I know may people who don't reside here but keep their Hukous.
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Postby cire » 22 Feb 2008, 01:58

What is the 183 day period? I was born in 1984 and plan on staying in Taiwan for a bit. I stayed here last year for around half a year but left every 3-4 months and I was able to leave ok.

Regarding the Hukou, I just had mine relocated to Taoyuan from Taishan and it was pretty simple. Just had to sign a few forms and waive my right to vote for the upcoming election because I was moving my hukou and hadn't stayed at the new location for more then 3 months. I got my ID at the same time as updating my hukou and everything.

I don't think you will lose your hukou if you stay outside of Taiwan for 2 years. My hukou didn't change from Taishan to overseas even though I lived in the states for 20 years but maybe that was because my family didn't update it for me but I was declared overseas when I turned 18 and was eligible for conscription. But I may be wrong about this.
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Re: Dual citizen trying renew TW ID - please help

Postby aceman » 26 Feb 2008, 11:14

Incubus wrote:
aceman wrote: How does this affect my military service status? I assume re-registering Hukou in Taiwan will trigger some system to draft me or activate my military requirements. Will I be albe to leave Taiwan, as I have previously done every 4 months? I know there's a way to get around it the military service, but what is the process and is it a hassle?

A good friend of mine is currently doing military service precisely because he had re-registered his hukou several years ago in order to cast a vote in the presidential election. Last year his grandmother passed away and he came back to Taiwan for her funeral on a US passport, thinking there wouldn't be a problem. Well, he was stopped at the airport trying to return to the US to finish grad school. Needless to say, grad school has been put on hold and he's got a real nice tan now. :D My suggestion is, don't risk it unless you're over the draftee age of 40 or have a real passion to vote for a certain presidential candidate.


1) Did he stay past 4 months?
2) Did he have the overseas stamp (processed at foreign TECO) on his Taiwan passport?
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Re: Dual citizen trying renew TW ID - please help

Postby Incubus » 26 Feb 2008, 23:55

aceman wrote:
Incubus wrote:
aceman wrote: How does this affect my military service status? I assume re-registering Hukou in Taiwan will trigger some system to draft me or activate my military requirements. Will I be albe to leave Taiwan, as I have previously done every 4 months? I know there's a way to get around it the military service, but what is the process and is it a hassle?

A good friend of mine is currently doing military service precisely because he had re-registered his hukou several years ago in order to cast a vote in the presidential election. Last year his grandmother passed away and he came back to Taiwan for her funeral on a US passport, thinking there wouldn't be a problem. Well, he was stopped at the airport trying to return to the US to finish grad school. Needless to say, grad school has been put on hold and he's got a real nice tan now. :D My suggestion is, don't risk it unless you're over the draftee age of 40 or have a real passion to vote for a certain presidential candidate.


1) Did he stay past 4 months?

AFAIK, he just came back for his grandmother's funeral, in and out, no more than a week, so he thought.

2) Did he have the overseas stamp (processed at foreign TECO) on his Taiwan passport?

I have no idea as he's been incommunicado for nearly a year now since he's been in the army. Again, my advice is: don't risk it.
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Postby aceman » 12 Mar 2008, 15:36

well "don't risk it" is not really an option at the moment, as there are many things I cannot have without an ID card. Health care, financial services, just to name a few.

I am asking what the process is to get around this problem.
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Postby llary » 15 Apr 2008, 18:07

Get a visa, get an ARC. I have health care, financial services etc. Might not be as good as an ROC ID but you can't have everything.
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Postby Satellite TV » 29 Apr 2008, 04:54

aceman wrote:well "don't risk it" is not really an option at the moment, as there are many things I cannot have without an ID card. Health care, financial services, just to name a few.

I am asking what the process is to get around this problem.


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Re: Dual citizen trying renew TW ID - please help

Postby ariel7120 » 20 Oct 2015, 01:38

Hi

Can someone please explain this 4 month leave for males when registering Hukou? I'm a female with dual US and Taiwan passport. I am planning to go to Taiwan in Feb 2016 to live and thus re registering my hukou. My 2 (US citizen) kids will come and live with me. I was planning to apply for a Taiwan passport for them too (ages: 7 Girl and 4 Boy) I know my son won't have a problem now since he's only 4, but in the future if he ever wants to visit Taiwan, I had thought he can just come in with his US passport without a problem until I read the above. I'm thinking how would the Taiwanese government know that these two different passports are related? One would just have his English name on the US passport and the other his Chinese Name on the Taiwan passport. But I guess the computers are smarter than we think???

Anyway, then someone I know currently (also dual US/ Taiwan) lives in Taiwan now using a Taiwanese passport who's 30 but he has to leave the country every 4 months. So I am unclear as to what the reason is?

Lastly, what is the draft age? I hear 36 but read the above which says 40?

Thanks!
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