Dual citizen - how to exit and enter taiwan and USA?

Who can and cannot be a dual national, as well as the joys and frustrations accompanying that status. Includes ROC Passport and Military Conscription issues
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Re: Dual citizen - how to exit and enter taiwan and USA?

Postby kaikai34 » 13 Oct 2010, 03:20

Satellite TV wrote:
kaikai34 wrote:You will leave with your Taiwan passport, but ask them to stamp an exit stamp on your US passport as well, which you will enter the US on. The US never checks, but if they did, you could run into some problems. Don't let the US see your green passport either. They don't like dual citizens. One last thing is that I hope that the US government never finds out you served in a foreign army. If you read the fine print in your US passport, they can take away your passport/citizenship for doing so.


Do you just make up your own shit or what? There are millions of US citizens with dual nationality. Also Taiwan immigration will not put on an exit stamp from Taiwan in his US passport as he did not enter as a US Citizen.


I have both passports. I enter on my green and leave on my green, but as I'm leaving, I ask them to give me an extra stamp in my blue, which they do. I get it done all the time.
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Re: Dual citizen - how to exit and enter taiwan and USA?

Postby Meanwhile in Taiwan » 13 Oct 2010, 05:03

Tony the Tiger wrote:So my primary concern now would be me having served in the Taiwanese army.


Enjoy your trip back to La-La Land that is Kalifornia.

Unless you actually wanted to give up U.S. citizenship, you needn't be concerned with your 替代役 service.

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship ... p_778.html

ADMINISTRATIVE STANDARD OF EVIDENCE

As already noted, the actions listed above can cause loss of U.S. citizenship only if performed voluntarily and with the intention of relinquishing U.S. citizenship. The Department has a uniform administrative standard of evidence based on the premise that U.S. citizens intend to retain United States citizenship when they obtain naturalization in a foreign state, subscribe to a declaration of allegiance to a foreign state, serve in the armed forces of a foreign state not engaged in hostilities with the United States, or accept non-policy level employment with a foreign government.

DISPOSITION OF CASES WHEN ADMINISTRATIVE PREMISE IS APPLICABLE

In light of the administrative premise discussed above, a person who:

is naturalized in a foreign country;
takes a routine oath of allegiance to a foreign state;
serves in the armed forces of a foreign state not engaged in hostilities with the United States, or
accepts non-policy level employment with a foreign government,
and in so doing wishes to retain U.S. citizenship need not submit prior to the commission of a potentially expatriating act a statement or evidence of his or her intent to retain U.S. citizenship since such an intent will be presumed.

When, as the result of an individual's inquiry or an individual's application for registration or a passport it comes to the attention of a U.S. consular officer that a U.S. citizen has performed an act made potentially expatriating by Sections 349(a)(1), 349(a)(2), 349(a)(3) or 349(a)(4) as described above, the consular officer will simply ask the applicant if there was intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship when performing the act. If the answer is no, the consular officer will certify that it was not the person's intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship and, consequently, find that the person has retained U.S. citizenship.
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Re: Dual citizen - how to exit and enter taiwan and USA?

Postby Lil' Slugger » 13 Oct 2010, 11:27

All that being said, I'm intrigued that Taiwan officials are willing to put the extra stamp in US passport. Maybe I'll look into that before our next trip home; I don't suppose there's any disadvantage to it.
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Re: Dual citizen - how to exit and enter taiwan and USA?

Postby Tony the Tiger » 13 Oct 2010, 22:29

Meanwhile in Taiwan wrote:
Tony the Tiger wrote:So my primary concern now would be me having served in the Taiwanese army.


Enjoy your trip back to La-La Land that is Kalifornia.

Unless you actually wanted to give up U.S. citizenship, you needn't be concerned with your 替代役 service.

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship ... p_778.html



Thanks, that site provides a lot of good info, as does this one http://www.richw.org/dualcit/faq.html

It seems like I really do have nothing to worry about. My concern about having served in the army has subsided. Now it's just a matter of how I choose to answer potential questions by the immigration official.

Technically speaking, I am not even serving in the "army". My official designation is 英專替代役, or quite literally "English specialist". I am serving under the Ministry of Education, not in any branch of the armed forces. I live and work at a elementary school, my job is to teach English here. During boot camp, we didn't even hold a gun, much less touch a weapon of any sort. We didn't even do a single push up or sit up. So to call this serving in the army would be quite a stretch by anyone's definition. I would consider myself more of a civil servant.

So if/when questioned about what I was doing in Taiwan for the past 2 years, I can truthfully reply that I was learning Chinese and teaching English. :discodance:
Born in Taiwan. Grew up in California. Graduated from Cal. State Fullerton in 2008. Studied Chinese for 3 semesters at Shi-Da. Decided to live in Taiwan so I joined the Taiwanese army as 替代役.
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Re: Dual citizen - how to exit and enter taiwan and USA?

Postby spaint » 15 Oct 2010, 13:32

Lil' Slugger wrote:All that being said, I'm intrigued that Taiwan officials are willing to put the extra stamp in US passport. Maybe I'll look into that before our next trip home; I don't suppose there's any disadvantage to it.


I don't see the advantage. All it does is waste pages that you might find you need at a later date.
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Re: Dual citizen - how to exit and enter taiwan and USA?

Postby Mordeth » 30 Aug 2011, 20:43

Can my son who is only 2 years old re-enter taiwan on his Canadian passport? Or do I need to get a Taiwanese passport before we go to Canada for vacation?
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