Android Play Store Taiwan idiocy

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Re: Android Play Store Taiwan idiocy

Postby RJF » 22 Jul 2012, 20:08

JimmyTheSaint wrote:...These experiences would indicate that Google is somehow storing location data on the phone, perhaps on the sim card itself.

Google is using information from the sim card, but isn't storing anything on it. The sim card identifies itself with the name and country of the telephony provider that issued it. That is what Google is using.

JimmyTheSaint wrote: That would be curious because filtering by ip is simpler and doesn't risk a backlash for messing with people's privacy.

You can't filter by IP because people travel all over the world and if they travelled to another country, it would break their link (even countries that have access to the Play Store have their own permissions and restrictions). When poeple travel, their link doesn't get broken.

JimmyTheSaint wrote: At any rate, I can personally verify being filtered based on a Taiwan ip address....

Something other than IP filtering had to be responsible for the problem you encountered -- why do you think it was IP filtering?
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Re: Android Play Store Taiwan idiocy

Postby JimmyTheSaint » 22 Jul 2012, 22:18

I'm not 100% sure what you mean by a link getting broken. This thread is only concerned with whether or not you can see paid apps, so I'm assuming you mean nothing more than that. I know from firsthand experience that once you've purchased an app, it will show up for you in Google Play even if you're restricted from seeing paid apps that you've never purchased. I don't see what problem it would cause if Google censored paid apps if you move to a restricted ip. "Broken link" would not describe that situation because you'd have all the connection to Google stuff you always have--except you would not be able to see or purchase paid apps that you haven't already purchased. You would continue--as I have--to see and update the paid apps you've already purchased.

Market Enabler's function was to spoof your carrier. I thought that was the same thing as spoofing a sim card, but I don't have the technical knowledge to specify exactly what difference there might be. From the discussion here, no one else in this thread has that kind of technical knowledge and experience, either. And unfortunately xda is pretty light on this topic, I guess because not enough of the tech gurus live in censored countries. So we're stuck with each other on this one. When Market Enabler stopped working, I saw credible reports that Google now checked ip as well as sim information. If it was just a matter of spoofing the sim, one would think Market Enabler could be tweaked easily enough, but now the developer of Market Enabler needed to also provide access to a proxy, which he never did. In any case, the new solution provided both a U.S. proxy finder and a sim (or at least Market) spoof. When I installed the new solution, I tried it without the proxy finder, but no paid apps. When I enabled the proxy finder, I got the paid apps. I also verified that I was accessing the internet via a U.S. proxy by browsing to whatsmyip.org. That's firsthand evidence that ip censoring was in effect.

To sum up:
1) Google censoring access to paid apps wouldn't have any unseemly side effects for travelers beyond Google's desired effect of preventing travelers from seeing new paid apps while they're in a restricted location.

2) I verified ip censoring first hand.

Where's the flaw in the above two conclusions?

Then there's the matter of monokuro's report that didn't experience ip censoring in Taiwan. That's a small sample because you can't report any first hand verification from this year, referring only to unspecified people. I know this isn't xda, but when you declare

"Google is using information from the sim card, but isn't storing anything on it. The sim card identifies itself with the name and country of the telephony provider that issued it. That is what Google is using."

that actually looks like nothing more than a plausible speculation offered up as something more authoritative. It's also inconsistent with a report I saw where a UK person lost access to paid apps once he returned to the UK. In any case, I think we still don't know why it worked for monokuro. I will say this: I've seen reports on the web of inconsistent censoring. Sometimes censored people temporarily get in. I haven't tracked that issue lately, but I can verify first hand that Market Enabler began failing for me in stages: sometimes I'd get in, other times not. That's when the non-technical experts start offering up reasons that aren't based in cause and effect.

I'll go you one further on this last point: I just tried the new enabler (it had been several weeks since the last time I bought an app), and it's now giving me access to paid apps without the proxy service. That means that I'm currently getting uncensored access with a ChunghwaTelecom sim from a Taiwan-bought phone from inside Taiwan using nothing more than a sim spoofer. That's consistent with the idea that Google's ip filtering is intermittent, so would explain monokuro's success. If you're correct that Google never censors by ip, then all people would ever need is a sim spoofer, and this thread wouldn't exist. Unfortunately, this isn't a technical forum and people aren't careful about reporting the times and conditions of their successes and failures. So maybe we'll never get to the bottom of why I'm suddenly able to do exactly what the OP can't do.
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Re: Android Play Store Taiwan idiocy

Postby txlonghorns513 » 23 Jul 2012, 10:38

So if I use the new enabler, I should be able to download paid apps on an Android tablet without a SIM card?
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Re: Android Play Store Taiwan idiocy

Postby JimmyTheSaint » 23 Jul 2012, 12:26

txlonghorns513 wrote:So if I use the new enabler, I should be able to download paid apps on an Android tablet without a SIM card?

Yes, that should work.
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Re: Android Play Store Taiwan idiocy

Postby monokuro » 23 Jul 2012, 15:42

Just checked - and the last purchase I made was March 10th.....
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Re: Android Play Store Taiwan idiocy

Postby Plastic Rat » 29 Jul 2012, 16:28

Ok, I JUST purchased a paid app from within Taiwan using a pre-paid Australian sim card (2 AUD). The card was not activated, I simply ripped it straight out of its original packaging and popped it into my phone. Just bought 2 apps with no problem at all. Of course I needed to have access to WiFi because the card doesn't actually connect to a service provider let alone 3g.

This information is current as of 4:25 pm, 29 July 2012.

I bought the sim card at a store in Kaohsiung across from the Rui Fong night market for 60nt. If anyone needs help PM me and I'll see if I can help you get one.

UPDATE: Ok, a weird side effect. Now when I log into the google play store from my PC's browser, it shows me paid apps and tells me "This app is compatible with your Optus Samsung GT-I9300." Where it used to say incompatible with my Samsung Galaxy S3.

Not sure what happens when I try to buy it through the store. Might check later and see if I can actually buy something from a desktop browser.
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Re: Android Play Store Taiwan idiocy

Postby TheGingerMan » 29 Jul 2012, 16:36

Amasashi wrote:I can buy alcohol any time I want in Taiwan and drink it in public, in front of an elementary school, during the day, with children left and right, if I so choose. Can't do that in the States. That no public intoxication crap is a real b*tch, am I right? And what about countries that don't sell alcohol outside of bars after 10 PM? Oh, how I wish those legislators would stop flaunting their genitalia and just let me do as I wish.

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Android Play Store Taiwan idiocy

Postby headhonchoII » 29 Jul 2012, 20:39

creztor wrote:Have to agree that 7 days for software is BS. There's far too many people that will download, use and then demand their money back. Software is completely different to tangible goods, so I believe making a comparison with a supermarket is wrong.


I think it's a great idea. Most apps are crap, it will force people to make something useful or entertaining.
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Re: Android Play Store Taiwan idiocy

Postby Plastic Rat » 29 Jul 2012, 23:01

headhonchoII wrote:I think it's a great idea. Most apps are crap, it will force people to make something useful or entertaining.


I find your post neither useful nor entertaining. I want a refund on my time spent reading it.
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Android Play Store Taiwan idiocy

Postby headhonchoII » 29 Jul 2012, 23:11

It was free advice hence no refund required. Seriously, 7 days is a good model. Half the apps I paid for were a joke and it discourages me from trying new apps. If I knew I could trial them I would spend more on apps. What do I have to lose?

Amazon does the same thing giving 2 weeks free subscriptions for magazines. Google doesn't want to go along with this as they don't want to set a precedent for their home market or other international markets.
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