Work Rules For English Teachers

[steelersman]

And you'll still be earning more than the average Taiwanese teacher, so what's the problem?

What percentage of Taiwanese English teachers pay their own rent? How many have student loans to pay? That is like comparing apples with oranges.

[CraigTPE]

And you'll still be earning more than the average Taiwanese teacher, so what's the problem?

What percentage of Taiwanese English teachers pay their own rent? How many have student loans to pay? That is like comparing apples with oranges.

Further, how many of them are inheriting their parent's money? I know mine have none to leave me but most of the Taiwanese families I know have accumulated a lot over the years to pass on to their kids. My partner's parents bought him his house, gave him his car and paid for his graduate degree overseas. I got none of the above.

How many of them have their closest relatives living in another country, so that if they want to see them they have to travel thousands of miles at a huge expense?

How many of them get full benefits, including vacation pay, sick pay and annual bonuses? I get none of the above.

Apples and oranges.

[housecat]

And you'll still be earning more than the average Taiwanese teacher, so what's the problem?

What percentage of Taiwanese English teachers pay their own rent? How many have student loans to pay? That is like comparing apples with oranges.

Further, how many of them are inheriting their parent's money? I know mine have none to leave me but most of the Taiwanese families I know have accumulated a lot over the years to pass on to their kids. My partner's parents bought him his house, gave him his car and paid for his graduate degree overseas. I got none of the above.

How many of them have their closest relatives living in another country, so that if they want to see them they have to travel thousands of miles at a huge expense?

How many of them get full benefits, including vacation pay, sick pay and annual bonuses? I get none of the above.

Apples and oranges.

Are you an American, Craig? I have a feeling that you are. Just currious.

[CraigTPE]

Are you an American, Craig? I have a feeling that you are. Just currious.

And this is relevant because..........

[cfimages]

And you'll still be earning more than the average Taiwanese teacher, so what's the problem?

What percentage of Taiwanese English teachers pay their own rent? How many have student loans to pay? That is like comparing apples with oranges.

Further, how many of them are inheriting their parent's money? I know mine have none to leave me but most of the Taiwanese families I know have accumulated a lot over the years to pass on to their kids. My partner's parents bought him his house, gave him his car and paid for his graduate degree overseas. I got none of the above.

How many of them have their closest relatives living in another country, so that if they want to see them they have to travel thousands of miles at a huge expense?

How many of them get full benefits, including vacation pay, sick pay and annual bonuses? I get none of the above.

Apples and oranges.

But none of this has anything to do with what a for-profit business like a buxiban should pay. They are not responsible for money you borrowed, rent you must pay etc.

Of the TW teachers I know, most of them are carrying a fair bit of credit card debt - should the buxiban owners be responsible for making sure they can pay that? No, of course not, so why should they care about your student loan?

Also, a lot of the teachers I know are from small towns/villages and have moved to bigger cities - presumably that means rent must be paid. And a fair proportion of them have to pay their parents a %age of their paycheck which I've been told is more-or-less like paying their parents back for their education.

The inheritance argument is meaningless - my fiancee's mother doesn't have any to leave her, and I have foreign friends who stand to gain plenty. The exact opposite of your situation, but it's still not something you can generalize.

[the chief]

Are you an American, Craig? I have a feeling that you are. Just currious.

And this is relevant because..........

She's going to ask for your phone number!! Don't DO IT, dude!!!!!

[housecat]

Are you an American, Craig? I have a feeling that you are. Just currious.

And this is relevant because..........

She's going to ask for your phone number!! Don't DO IT, dude!!!!!

Awww Chiefy, you're so cute when you're jealous!

Craig, you just sound like you've got a bit of an entitlement complex. I an American, too, and moved back to the States 3.5 years ago. Sometimes I still have a kind of culture shock about the way Americans seem to feel that they're not getting a fair shake if they don't have more than the guy next door. The guy next door could have cancer and some people around here would whine that they'd only had the flu, and only once in the last three years! It hasn't always been that way. Anyway, not relevant in the least, really. Every once in a while I talk back to the tv, too.

[CraigTPE]

No entitlement complex at all. It's all about market forces. Supply and demand.

If a local company wants to hire people from overseas, the pay and benefit package must be compelling enough to attract interest, n'est-ce pas? If the pay does not cover the person's cost of living, and all of the things I wrote above are typical costs of living for an expat and are absolutely relevant to the subject, then the buxiban owner will not attract candidates.

If on the other hand, a local company wants to hire a local employee, then there is a different set of economics involved.

[steelersman]

But none of this has anything to do with what a for-profit business like a buxiban should pay. They are not responsible for money you borrowed, rent you must pay etc.

In regards to English buxibans this has everything to do with it. If a buxiban owner wants to attract foreigners to come to Taiwan they need to pay accordingly. If foreigners were paid 400NT an hour to teach English. I am sure there would be a lot less foreigners here.

It really has nothing to do with the teaching abilities of foreigners. Parents want foreign teachers and buxiban owners want to make money.

[TaiLaw]

It's not illegal, (for a JFRV holder to teach English to under 6's), because there's no law against it. Show me the law.

Why is this discussion only about JFRV holders (which I am) teaching kindergarten? Why has no one mentioned the legality of teaching primary and older? Because it is clearly legal for a JFRV to teach them. The kindies are questionable, the older students are not, as is tutoring. Ever notice there it no place on the tax return to declare private tutoring?