Legal issues reagarding doing demos.

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Legal issues reagarding doing demos.

Postby Whole Lotta Lotta » 06 Feb 2007, 22:03

I am currently looking for a new job for the next semester. Most of the schools I know of ask applicants to do demos. I only have one little problem with this. My understanding is that if the FAP were to raid the school while I was doing a demo, I could be in a lot of trouble :eek: ! I know the chances of this happening at the exact moment I happen to be at the school are about the same as being struck by lightning, but lightning does strike. I would like others insight into what would be the best course of action in the unlikely event that it does happen. Forewarned is forearmed. I do think it is best these days to be a little cautious with reagard to these matters. I know the chances of this happening are unlikely, but it is still best to do what you can to be safe.
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Postby superemma » 06 Feb 2007, 22:23

Probably the best course of action is not to do a demo if you're so concerned, but if you must, scope out the school first. Are there escape routes available if the police come that you could run out? Think about where they are likely to come from and where you could run. If they catch you, don't sign anything you don't understand, even if the school says it will be okay. They do not have your interests at heart, as you will be the one deported and they will pay a fine at worst.
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Postby bobl » 07 Feb 2007, 00:56

Your caution is right on the money.
Too often we see threads on here that go "Help, I'm being deported, I was only doing a demo!"

Unfortunately, your school will probably not understand why you don't want to break the law.
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Postby sandman » 07 Feb 2007, 12:22

bobl wrote:Your caution is right on the money.
Too often we see threads on here that go "Help, I'm being deported, I was only doing a demo!"

Unfortunately, your school will probably not understand why you don't want to break the law.

That's it in a nutshell. If you want the job you'll most likely need to do a demo. Catch 22. At least you're already aware of the possible consequences of this, so all you can really do is minimize the risk to yourself. Most important is that you do not trust ANYTHING the school says in this regard and do not sign ANYTHING the police give you should you get caught, no matter what they say. As superemma noted, they DO NOT have your interests at heart.
It's kind of a bummer to know that your boss is dishonest right from the get-go, but its the nature of the game.

Of course, you COULD always tell the school that you'll need to check with the foreign affairs police before you agree to do a demo, but all that would happen then is that the school will say: "Thanks. We'll call you if we need you."
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Postby Whole Lotta Lotta » 07 Feb 2007, 21:36

sandman wrote:
bobl wrote:Your caution is right on the money.
Too often we see threads on here that go "Help, I'm being deported, I was only doing a demo!"

Unfortunately, your school will probably not understand why you don't want to break the law.

That's it in a nutshell. If you want the job you'll most likely need to do a demo. Catch 22. At least you're already aware of the possible consequences of this, so all you can really do is minimize the risk to yourself. Most important is that you do not trust ANYTHING the school says in this regard and do not sign ANYTHING the police give you should you get caught, no matter what they say. As superemma noted, they DO NOT have your interests at heart.
It's kind of a bummer to know that your boss is dishonest right from the get-go, but its the nature of the game.

Of course, you COULD always tell the school that you'll need to check with the foreign affairs police before you agree to do a demo, but all that would happen then is that the school will say: "Thanks. We'll call you if we need you."


Such is the unfortunate nature of this business. I think the odds are against such a thing happening while I am doing a demo at the school. But with all of the foreigners working in Taiwan it is bound to happen to some unfortunate soul. :(
And if you refuse to do a demo, the school will just hire somebody who will. I wonder if there is somebody out there who has a suggestion on refusing to do a demo and still having a chance to get the job.
Actually I think demos are becoming passe anyway. There have been times when teachers have given demos that were outstanding and they turned out to be lousy teachers. :homer: And if you are applying from abroad you likely have less experience than somebody who is already here, yet you do not have to do a demo while teachers who are already here and have proven themselves do! :ohreally:
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Postby Whole Lotta Lotta » 07 Feb 2007, 21:39

Whoops! I left the itallics on there! :homer:
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Postby Big Fluffy Matthew » 07 Feb 2007, 21:45

Digging into the depths of My Brain™ I seem to remember that doing a demo in front of students is illegal, because you're effectively teaching them. But it might be ok if there's no students in the room.

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Postby Buttercup » 07 Feb 2007, 21:47

Big Fluffy Matthew wrote:Digging into the depths of My Brain™ I seem to remember that doing a demo in front of students is illegal, because you're effectively teaching them. But it might be ok if there's no students in the room.

(Any facts from My Brain™ are not guaranteed and are at user's risk)


Is it different for teaching adults?

How would you do a demo with no students? :)
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Postby Big Fluffy Matthew » 07 Feb 2007, 21:53

Buttercup wrote:Is it different for teaching adults?

How would you do a demo with no students? :)
I've not idea, but you'll just to, other teachers pretending to be students maybe ? It seems My Brain™ is right:
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/ ... 2003215434

If they insist you do a demo with real students they're asking you to break the law. Which means they'll give the job to someone who's willing the break the law.
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Postby TomHill » 07 Feb 2007, 21:53

Buttercup wrote:
Big Fluffy Matthew wrote:Digging into the depths of My Brain™ I seem to remember that doing a demo in front of students is illegal, because you're effectively teaching them. But it might be ok if there's no students in the room.

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Is it different for teaching adults?

How would you do a demo with no students? :)


You would pitch the lesson at your potential boss.
I once took MrsHill to a demo and taught her.
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