Legal issues reagarding doing demos.

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Postby R. Daneel Olivaw » 11 Feb 2007, 22:57

When I did a demo at David's English School I did the demo for staff members. When I was studying in my education classes in college we often used classmates to play the role of students. It doesn't show much about how you control a class, though. So there are limitations to this approach if the school you are demoing for focuses on young children.

I guess another option is to make a demo video. If you are still teaching you could get permission from your boss. Or, you could invite some local kids over and give them a free 20 minute lesson so that you could tape it yourself.

You could then burn a VCD and use that as part of your application.
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Postby superemma » 11 Feb 2007, 23:05

R. Daneel Olivaw wrote:When I was studying in my education classes in college we often used classmates to play the role of students. It doesn't show much about how you control a class, though...Or, you could invite some local kids over and give them a free 20 minute lesson so that you could tape it yourself.


According to my friends in education classes the best part was when you got picked to roleplay "the bad kid" in the class, but you're right, this still doesn't equal children. As for the second part, if you want to be strictly technical in legality it sounds an awful lot like unauthorized volunteering...
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Postby R. Daneel Olivaw » 12 Feb 2007, 02:35

superemma wrote:if you want to be strictly technical in legality it sounds an awful lot like unauthorized volunteering...

You mean giving a free class to some locals to make a demo video? I don't think that would count. I expect for it to count as "illegal volunteering" you'd have to be working for an organization or an event that had a structure that you could report to.

Anyone able to give a definite answer to that question?
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Postby london-boy » 13 Feb 2007, 00:06

R. Daneel Olivaw wrote:
superemma wrote:if you want to be strictly technical in legality it sounds an awful lot like unauthorized volunteering...


.... I expect for it to count as "illegal volunteering" you'd have to be working for an organization or an event that had a structure that you could report to.

Anyone able to give a definite answer to that question?


Would it matter if someone here could? If I stand on a street corner and start selling onions I bought at a market, I'm working. Even though I'm not working for an organisation etc...

I feel the point is "what could it look like?" - and against that, definite favourable knowledge of the technicalities might not be helpful unless you have the capacity to force the law to be applied accordingly.... Perhaps I'm too cynical... And many of the posters here are far more experienced and esteemed than me!
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Postby Whole Lotta Lotta » 13 Feb 2007, 00:21

Actually, I hear that technically you can't even be on school premises if you don't have your ARC punched through there. This means you could be in trouble if the school is raided and you aren't doing a demo. :loco:
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Postby jlick » 13 Feb 2007, 11:34

Whole Lotta Lotta wrote:Actually, I hear that technically you can't even be on school premises if you don't have your ARC punched through there.


That probably comes from the people who "just happened to be at a school for an interview" but it turns out that they "just happened to be alone in a classroom full of kids" and then they finally admit that "yeah I was teaching but it was just a demo!" and then when it is pointed out that it doesn't make sense to be demoing if there is no one else in the room observing, it turns out that they were actually subbing for a friend. I really doubt anyone has been deported who wasn't even in a classroom.
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Postby david_in_taipei » 23 Mar 2007, 23:30

TomHill wrote:
Buttercup wrote:How would you do a demo with no students? :)


You would pitch the lesson at your potential boss.
I once took MrsHill to a demo and taught her.
I'm against illegal demo's too.


I had an interview in January and I demoed for the bosses. It was actually much harder than with students.

In any event, I hate it when schools here ask anyone to break the law.
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