Legal work as a part time teacher and as part time salesman?

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Legal work as a part time teacher and as part time salesman?

Postby fecuevas » 21 Apr 2010, 10:57

A languages school has applied for my work permit this week (Spanish teacher, 14 hours a week, 1 year contract). There is another company who says that they also want to apply for my work permit, but it is the first time they are going to hire a foreigner for an oversea sales position (I have previous work experience on this). They are small manufacturer with 25 employees approximately. I wonder if it is legal to have two employers of two different job categories. I have been doing some research, in some websites I have read it is possible, and in some of them that it is not. I would be grateful if there is someone who has gone through a similar situation or has some reliable information to share. Thanks for reading this post.
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Re: Legal work as a part time teacher and as part time salesman?

Postby itakitez » 21 Apr 2010, 11:44

is the sales position in Taiwan? seems like the easiest thing is to form a spanish company and get paid in spain, then you're "not working as a salesperson in Taiwan"
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Re: Legal work as a part time teacher and as part time salesman?

Postby Satellite TV » 21 Apr 2010, 14:38

itakitez wrote:is the sales position in Taiwan? seems like the easiest thing is to form a Spanish company and get paid in spain, then you're "not working as a salesperson in Taiwan"



Wrong

And yes you can apply for a second work permit to work part time in another company.
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Re: Legal work as a part time teacher and as part time salesman?

Postby itakitez » 21 Apr 2010, 15:32

fecuevas wrote:A languages school has applied for my work permit this week (Spanish teacher, 14 hours a week, 1 year contract). There is another company who says that they also want to apply for my work permit, but it is the first time they are going to hire a foreigner for an oversea sales position (I have previous work experience on this). They are small manufacturer with 25 employees approximately. I wonder if it is legal to have two employers of two different job categories. I have been doing some research, in some websites I have read it is possible, and in some of them that it is not. I would be grateful if there is someone who has gone through a similar situation or has some reliable information to share. Thanks for reading this post.


so, how would he be doing the overseas sales position?
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Re: Legal work as a part time teacher and as part time salesman?

Postby Icon » 21 Apr 2010, 17:47

fecuevas wrote:A languages school has applied for my work permit this week (Spanish teacher, 14 hours a week, 1 year contract). There is another company who says that they also want to apply for my work permit, but it is the first time they are going to hire a foreigner for an oversea sales position (I have previous work experience on this). They are small manufacturer with 25 employees approximately. I wonder if it is legal to have two employers of two different job categories. I have been doing some research, in some websites I have read it is possible, and in some of them that it is not. I would be grateful if there is someone who has gone through a similar situation or has some reliable information to share. Thanks for reading this post.


Small companies may not qualify to hire a foreigner. First of all, they have to do a ridiculos amount in sales -5 to 10 million- plus other tax requisites. Then, fort instance, your minumum salary should be over 44 thousand. It is a long and complicated process, which if this is the first time they may not be able to handle properly/swiftly. Even if this is the one you want/are better qualified to do, I'd take the sure one -teaching- and figure out what to do with the other along the way (get a second permit, switch over, etc).

Little tip -para usarse en caso de extrema urgencia-: most companies hire an agent, though which you get the permit. Usually, these agents have the guanxi necessary to speed things along. Find out if the company is willing to fork out for that.
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Re: Legal work as a part time teacher and as part time salesman?

Postby fecuevas » 22 Apr 2010, 09:13

Itakitez,
Thanks a lot for your reply. Yes, the sales position is in Taiwan. Well, the main market is not Spain but Latin-American countries. When I said overseas sales position I meant export sales position.

Satellite TV,
Many thanks for your reply. Do you know how to apply for a second work permit?

Icon,
Thanks a lot for your reply. Where could I find all the requisites? The employer told me that it was not legal to work in both places at the same time, but I am not sure of taking the risk of quitting the languages school job. “Muchas gracias” for the tip, I know that the company has trade agents in other countries but it is not what you mean, isn’t it? Do you mean a Taiwanese person/company use to deal with the work permit application?
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Re: Legal work as a part time teacher and as part time salesman?

Postby Icon » 22 Apr 2010, 09:57

fecuevas wrote:Itakitez,
Thanks a lot for your reply. Yes, the sales position is in Taiwan. Well, the main market is not Spain but Latin-American countries. When I said overseas sales position I meant export sales position.

Satellite TV,
Many thanks for your reply. Do you know how to apply for a second work permit?

Icon,
Thanks a lot for your reply. Where could I find all the requisites? The employer told me that it was not legal to work in both places at the same time, but I am not sure of taking the risk of quitting the languages school job. “Muchas gracias” for the tip, I know that the company has trade agents in other countries but it is not what you mean, isn’t it? Do you mean a Taiwanese person/company use to deal with the work permit application?


Fer,
That is not for you to find out. It is the company's responsibility and the proper authorities will not welcome you if you try to process the paperwork by yourself. If they are not aware of teh requisites/regulations, do not work for them.

Not trade agents, of course, but specialized labor agents who dela in those things. It is a rather grey area, but most companies have to go through these agencies to process work permits. Again, it is their call, not yours.

I know you really want this job, but this procedure is really out of your hands. Work permits here belong to the company, not the person. It is not like a green card.
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Re: Legal work as a part time teacher and as part time salesman?

Postby fecuevas » 23 Apr 2010, 10:02

Icon,
Thanks a lot again, I see what you mean. I have heard that it is common for some companies to say that they are going to apply for the work permit from the very beginning. And that some of them do not know the regulations and some others do not want to know, just pretending and keeping you waiting. That is why I am trying to find out the requisites, to see if exists a real chance or not, so I can discuss with them having some information in advance. Saludos.
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Re: Legal work as a part time teacher and as part time salesman?

Postby Icon » 23 Apr 2010, 10:30

For starters:
From you-
Do you have at least two years od VERIFIABLE experience in a FULL TIME job RELATED to the task at hand?

A simple letter will not do, they want to see translations, seals, who is this in that signature, who can verify that this signature is legit, etc...

From them-
Sales of at least 5 million, no tax debts, local staff more than 12, can't hire more than two foreigners, etc.

Just a few examples.
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Re: Legal work as a part time teacher and as part time salesman?

Postby Satellite TV » 24 Apr 2010, 14:02

fecuevas wrote:Satellite TV, Many thanks for your reply. Do you know how to apply for a second work permit?


No I don't know how to apply for any work permits at all. I've never had any here in Taiwan.
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