Why does the labor office have to cancel you work permit?

[Northcoast Surfer]

This is very helpful indeed ! I may be changing jobs from teaching at Hess to a different profession, from my understanding it was when Hess cancel my ARC I wil have 7 days to leave Taiwan. So I would have to do a visa run ? Before I leave Hess I will have an offer, so can the company start processing this WITHOUT my current employer be notified, then when I know everything is in place (or I don't have to make that visa run) I can tell Hess ?

You cannot process a new work permit without a cancellation letter from your employer (HESS).

Really? So everyone who gets hired for a second job and wants to add them to their current ARC needs to get permission from their current employer before they can do this? Doesn't sound right to me. I would guess that most companies in Taiwan wouldn't want you to get another employer on the side out of fear that you would quit with them.

At any rate, you could go find a new job. Get all the paperwork done up, health check, whatever, and have the future employer hold the paperwork until you formally quit, then have the new employer submit the application for the new work-permit and you'd be all set. Right?

[steelersman]

Northcoast Surfer, maybe others who have worked at Hess can comment but from what I have heard is that Hess is a stubborn company. They may harass you about quitting. I recently went from one Kid Castle to another one due to the fact that my school thought that they no longer needed a foreign teacher. The labor office requested a cancellation of contract letter before they would give me the new work permit.

[Northcoast Surfer]

Northcoast Surfer, maybe others who have worked at Hess can comment but from what I have heard is that Hess is a stubborn company. They may harass you about quitting. I recently went from one Kid Castle to another one due to the fact that my school thought that they no longer needed a foreign teacher. The labor office requested a cancellation of contract letter before they would give me the new work permit.

So, they needed a cancellation of contract letter before they would issue an entirely brand new work-permit? Ok....but if you were to keep your current work-permit, and then just add a new employer to your current ARC, you wouldn't have to have a cancellation of contract letter from your current employer because you're not quitting, you're just adding an additional employer with associated work-permit to your existing ARC....right or wrong?

Boy...I sure am glad I've got an APRC! What a major hassle!

[aim]

Hi all I got a question related to my work / ARC and my idea (not decision yet..) of changing my work.

2 months ago I started working for a local firm. The salary is ok, the environment is friendly however, I feel in the end that I will not grow professionally to the level I wished as some things now are more clear (not thaaat clear during the interview process). I know I it a bit early to be able to judge the situation however in the back of my mind I am processing the idea of changing my job within the next few months if nothing changes.
My question Is this related to my ARC though as my current employer applied for one and it is valid until the end of July 2011 (found similar posts like in this topic so I think it is the most appropriate place to post). So here it is:

I was wondering, if I give my boss this 1-month prior my leave notice, and If I do not have a new job yet I guess he cancels my work permit → ARC (based on this comments “Your employer fires you or you quit before the work-permit and associated ARC expire, if your employer notifies the BEVT and cancels your work-permit, then the BEVT notifies the NIA and the NIA cancels your ARC because the sole reason you had the ARC in the first place was based on your work-permit, which you no longer have, hence the cancelling of your ARC “ by Northcoast Surfer ) and I will be given few days (2 weeks you said maybe) until I leave the country, right? Unless I can make a deal, something though that I should not really count on.
Should I first, discreetly, find a new job and then give him the notice? In general they are ok the people here and I do not want to act unprofessionally and just leave them one day like this. Besides the market is mall here and I do not want to get a bad reputation. This second option is what you advised justme86 to do... I guess it makes the most sense... However, I wished I could sign a contract so I am in the safe side and not have to face a situation like I quit my current job based on a promise form another one and then I get something like “eehh.. you know.. we will call you in few days... it may take time” etc etc...
But then you say (if I am not wrong) that you can not have 2 valid work permits (or applications?) for 1 ARC...

Thanks for any idea...

ps. changing the job may result to bigger changes in my everyday life as my house is close to my current work but not that close to MRT (15 minutes walk.. which is ok but if it raining it's not fun) and my language school is super close as well... so I may have to change house and find a new language school... hmm.. hmmm...

[worldlygrl]

Northcoast Surfer, maybe others who have worked at Hess can comment but from what I have heard is that Hess is a stubborn company. They may harass you about quitting. I recently went from one Kid Castle to another one due to the fact that my school thought that they no longer needed a foreign teacher. The labor office requested a cancellation of contract letter before they would give me the new work permit.

They will harass you for sure if you go to a competitive company. The reason they harass you is because they are competing for money. It is all about the money. If they lose you, they lose money because then they have to go find a new NST. They hate it when you break a contract because it takes them that much longer to find a new teacher and it messes up the schedule. In regards to labor office, call the labor office.

[spaint]

There's also a detail I remember reading somewhere about consecutive JFRV ARCs not being cumulative in terms of time counted in Taiwan, but I can't remember if it's in relation to APRCs or citizenship. Probably the latter.

What on earth does that mean? The APRC clock is reset for JFRV holders every three years when they renew their ARCs? I never heard that one before and I don't believe it for a minute. It would mean that JFRV holders could NEVER become eligible for APRC.

You're right, my wording was sloppy. I meant consecutive JFRVs from different spouses.

[Satellite TV]

There's also a detail I remember reading somewhere about consecutive JFRV ARCs not being cumulative in terms of time counted in Taiwan, but I can't remember if it's in relation to APRCs or citizenship. Probably the latter.

What on earth does that mean? The APRC clock is reset for JFRV holders every three years when they renew their ARCs? I never heard that one before and I don't believe it for a minute. It would mean that JFRV holders could NEVER become eligible for APRC.

You're right, my wording was sloppy. I meant consecutive JFRVs from different spouses.

You mean we should also change our spouses along with the JFRV, what a wicked idea..

[spaint]

At the time I was getting divorced, it looked doubtful that I'd be able to stay in the country. A friend of mine offered to marry me if necessary, until I could get my APRC sorted out. However, we discovered that a) there's a cooling-off period of six (?) months between getting divorced and getting remarried and b) you couldn't accumulate the time from multiple spousal visas towards applying for an APRC.

[justme86]

Ok so I need some sort of legal advice / knowledge as things at my school at starting to get bad !

I have got a different job at will be leaving my school (Hess) at the end of the month. They have agreed to give me the termination certificate however my new company also require a photocopy of my work permit. Now my school said they dont want to give me this because they don't want to help me. Is this a document by law I am allowed ?

I went to the labour bureau / cla and they said I sohuld get it from Hess or re-issue it at collect from hess !

Any ideas ? Do I have any legal right to this document ? I know they will cancel it when I leave however I just require a photocopy of it, I don't care what they do with it.

[Northcoast Surfer]

Ok so I need some sort of legal advice / knowledge as things at my school at starting to get bad !

I have got a different job at will be leaving my school (Hess) at the end of the month. They have agreed to give me the termination certificate however my new company also require a photocopy of my work permit. Now my school said they dont want to give me this because they don't want to help me. Is this a document by law I am allowed ?

I went to the labour bureau / cla and they said I sohuld get it from Hess or re-issue it at collect from hess !

Any ideas ? Do I have any legal right to this document ? I know they will cancel it when I leave however I just require a photocopy of it, I don't care what they do with it.

The work permit belongs to you, not your employer. They should make a copy of it for their records and give you the original, always. I have all of my original work permits from every company that I ever worked for. Also, you better care what they do with it because if you ever decide to apply for an APRC, you'll need to have your work permits. Better to have them now, filed away in a safe place so you can pull them out at a moments notice. Get your original work permit from them now. If they try to avoid it, then just tell them you're going to make an official complaint at the CLA.