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Teaching Kindergarten on an APRC

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Teaching Kindergarten on an APRC

Postby spaint » 15 Dec 2010, 10:21

I'm wondering if I should crosspost this to the Teaching forum as well, but I'll just put it here for now...

Basically, I'm wondering if anyone actually knows the law regarding teaching in a kindergarten. I've got a friend with an APRC and Open Work Permit... And he wants to teach kindy. Is it legal?

My (possibly flawed) understanding is that his immigration status is not tied to his employment, therefore he will not be breaking immigration law by teaching at a kindergarten, but rather will be breaking some kind of education regulation that will hopefully result in a fine rather than deportation if caught.

Obviously, I have no idea what the actual laws are, so I was hoping someone here could shed some light on it.
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Re: Teaching Kindergarten on an APRC

Postby Satellite TV » 15 Dec 2010, 11:20

spaint wrote:I'm wondering if I should crosspost this to the Teaching forum as well, but I'll just put it here for now...

Basically, I'm wondering if anyone actually knows the law regarding teaching in a kindergarten. I've got a friend with an APRC and Open Work Permit... And he wants to teach kindy. Is it legal?

My (possibly flawed) understanding is that his immigration status is not tied to his employment, therefore he will not be breaking immigration law by teaching at a kindergarten, but rather will be breaking some kind of education regulation that will hopefully result in a fine rather than deportation if caught.

Obviously, I have no idea what the actual laws are, so I was hoping someone here could shed some light on it.



He could check with the NIA or the MOE... afaik if you have an APRC you have an open work permit. Kindy's cannot offer work permits for foreigners and thats where the problem arises for those who get caught working without a work permit. An APRC holder doesn't require a work permit.
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Re: Teaching Kindergarten on an APRC

Postby Toasty » 15 Dec 2010, 11:36

The ultimate legality of teaching kindy on JFRV/APRC is not fully clear. However, for all intents and purposes, your friend is safe. Your interpretation is correct. The reason foreigners get deported (not near as often as reading these boards would lead you believe btw) is that they are in violation of their employment restrictions and not solely because the kindy teaching is verboten. They could face the same fate if they drove a taxi on a teaching ARC. Foreigners on spousal or permanent ARCs do not have restrictions and, so, don't get deported for doing any specific job. There may be some violation of credential requirements and/or some rule violation for teaching English generally, but these are not the focus of enforcement; if it were, the penalty would likely be a fine, much like for a local.
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Re: Teaching Kindergarten on an APRC

Postby Rotalsnart » 15 Dec 2010, 14:25

Satellite TV wrote:[...]... afaik if you have an APRC you have an open work permit. [....] An APRC holder doesn't require a work permit.


This is not true. An APRC holder must separately apply for an open work permit. However, once you have the APRC, the application process for the open work permit is very simple. See lots of threads relevant to this in the Visa and Residency forum.

Edit: See Northcoast Surfer's informative thread about open work permit applications in this forum.
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Re: Teaching Kindergarten on an APRC

Postby Satellite TV » 16 Dec 2010, 10:18

Rotalsnart wrote:
Satellite TV wrote:[...]... afaik if you have an APRC you have an open work permit. [....] An APRC holder doesn't require a work permit.


This is not true. An APRC holder must separately apply for an open work permit. However, once you have the APRC, the application process for the open work permit is very simple. See lots of threads relevant to this in the Visa and Residency forum.

Edit: See Northcoast Surfer's informative thread about open work permit applications in this forum.



YEs sorry I should have written they dont need a work permit from an employer as they get an open work permit. It seems silly they get an APRC yet need the formality of applying for an open work permit which is automatically granted.
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Re: Teaching Kindergarten on an APRC

Postby Rotalsnart » 16 Dec 2010, 13:35

Satellite TV wrote: It seems silly they get an APRC yet need the formality of applying for an open work permit which is automatically granted.


Agreed.
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Re: Teaching Kindergarten on an APRC

Postby jimipresley » 16 Dec 2010, 17:00

I really wish one of those lawyer chaps or chapettes out there will eventually give us a definitive answer to this question.

If you are caught working a kindy on an APRC, WILL YOU GET DEPORTED OR NOT?
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Re: Teaching Kindergarten on an APRC

Postby asiaeast » 17 Dec 2010, 08:35

Satellite TV wrote:
Rotalsnart wrote:
Satellite TV wrote:[...]... afaik if you have an APRC you have an open work permit. [....] An APRC holder doesn't require a work permit.


This is not true. An APRC holder must separately apply for an open work permit. However, once you have the APRC, the application process for the open work permit is very simple. See lots of threads relevant to this in the Visa and Residency forum.

Edit: See Northcoast Surfer's informative thread about open work permit applications in this forum.



YEs sorry I should have written they dont need a work permit from an employer as they get an open work permit. It seems silly they get an APRC yet need the formality of applying for an open work permit which is automatically granted.


As you probably already know, the APRC only says you can stay in Taiwan without a job. You still need to apply for a work permit after you get an APRC to qualify to work in Taiwan. But once you get that open work permit, you are as good as gold. Companies can hire you quickly, pretty much on the spot.

For me, I just like the warm-fuzzy feeling of having my work permit in my own pocket. Also, I work at a large school with many branches, so I don't have to worry about being registered to work at any one particular place. It makes life easier for my company too, because my APRC and my open work permit never expire. But it also makes it easier for me to walk away at any time! :) I can also have multiple jobs if I want.

With an APRC and an open work permit, you can find much better work than kindy. You are now qualified to teach at an elementary school or high school, even without a teaching degree. While the pay may not be much better than teaching Kindy, the benefits are incredible (paid time off, etc.). And the level of respect is higher. Most people don't know this, it seems. Kindy does very little for your resume.
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Re: Teaching Kindergarten on an APRC

Postby Satellite TV » 17 Dec 2010, 10:34

jimipresley wrote:I really wish one of those lawyer chaps or chapettes out there will eventually give us a definitive answer to this question.

If you are caught working a kindy on an APRC, WILL YOU GET DEPORTED OR NOT?



I would doubt it as you aren't working illegally if you have an open work permit.
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Re: Teaching Kindergarten on an APRC

Postby A-ha » 19 Dec 2010, 18:01

jimipresley wrote:I really wish one of those lawyer chaps or chapettes out there will eventually give us a definitive answer to this question.

If you are caught working a kindy on an APRC, WILL YOU GET DEPORTED OR NOT?

Don't hold your breath. The lawyer chaps do not seem to want to answer this question, so all we can do is speculate.

asiaeast wrote:With an APRC and an open work permit, you can find much better work than kindy. You are now qualified to teach at an elementary school or high school, even without a teaching degree. While the pay may not be much better than teaching Kindy, the benefits are incredible (paid time off, etc.). And the level of respect is higher. Most people don't know this, it seems. Kindy does very little for your resume.

:s I'm sorry, but where do you get this information from?
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