Hit and run toddler in China ignored by passers by

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Re: Hit and run toddler in China ignored by passers by

Postby Mucha Man » 19 Oct 2011, 00:28

whitetiger wrote:....In the video, the van drives over the little girl with his front wheel and stops just before driving over her with the back wheel. After pausing for a couple seconds, he then drives over her with the back wheel, slowly and deliberately. I've heard horror stories from Taiwan about similar incidents.


It used to happen before the law was passed to make mandatory 3rd party insurance. That effectively ended the practice.

But yeah, it sickens the heart to think that anyone could be so calculating.
“Everywhere else in the world is also really old” said Prof. Liu, a renowned historian at Beijing University. “We always learn that China has 5000 years of cultural heritage, and that therefore we are very special. It appears that other places also have some of this heritage stuff. And are also old. Like, really old.”

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Re: Hit and run toddler in China ignored by passers by

Postby pgdaddy1 » 19 Oct 2011, 00:55

whitetiger wrote:I grabbed this from a friends' fb wall.
"OMG......看完心情真差..兩歲女童遭碾,18名路人漠视, 司机称: 若她死了,大不了赔個一,两万.若她沒有死,我起碼要賠十幾萬
2 year-old girl was crushed,18 passers-by ignored
The driver said ......
If she died, at worst lose ten or twenty thousand...
If she did not die, I at least sacrificing hundreds of thousands or more..."


Why would he have to pay more if she survived ?
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Re: Hit and run toddler in China ignored by passers by

Postby Super Hans » 19 Oct 2011, 01:23

Why would he have to pay more if she survived ?


A lifetime of care - physiotherapy, medicine, mobility, lack of employment opportunities...that kind of thing.
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Re: Hit and run toddler in China ignored by passers by

Postby tommy525 » 19 Oct 2011, 01:35

I vote for the death sentence for a driver that calculatingly does this. It has happened in taiwan and they were sentenced for murder as that is in fact what it is.

To hit and run over a person unknowingly is manslaughter. To purposely run over them again with the intention to kill them is murder.
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Re: Hit and run toddler in China ignored by passers by

Postby pgdaddy1 » 19 Oct 2011, 01:39

Super Hans wrote:
Why would he have to pay more if she survived ?


A lifetime of care - physiotherapy, medicine, mobility, lack of employment opportunities...that kind of thing.


OK thanks- makes sense now- in a way.
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Re: Hit and run toddler in China ignored by passers by

Postby yuli » 19 Oct 2011, 09:23

tommy525 wrote:I vote for the death sentence for a driver that calculatingly does this..

How about the death sentence for the lawmakers that enabled the driver? :doh:

No, the solution is to change the rules about, and ways of dealing with, accidents and their consequences...
And let us not forget how things used to be in those places that have "good samaritan laws" before those laws existed.
 
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Re: Hit and run toddler in China ignored by passers by

Postby Ducked » 19 Oct 2011, 13:15

Chris wrote:Yes, people refusing to intervene has happened outside of China and Taiwan, the Kitty Genovese case being perhaps the most well known.

I don't find any of the comments in this thread racist, but more "societyist". I don't have problems with "societyism": some societies are more fucked up than others. And if there's any society that deserves criticism, it's China's (I also blame them for the creation and continued enablement of North Korea), and the problems there mostly stem from its dictatorial Commie system.
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Bullshit. Chin'a been fucked-up for a LOT longer than that. Read any foreign-observer account from the 20's, (that isn't written by a missionary with a "Christ conquers all evil" agenda)
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Re: Hit and run toddler in China ignored by passers by

Postby finley » 19 Oct 2011, 14:37

Indeed. The only reason that Mao actually got anywhere at all (I mean, come on, the guy was a barely-literate idiot hick) is that China had pretty much hit rock-bottom. It was as third-world as you can get. Undoubtedly, Western powers had a lot to do with the state China was in; but the fact remains that China has been going nowhere for all 5000 years of its recorded history. Just like everyone else, they'd spent a lot of time fighting with each other with the occasional brief interludes when a little bit of culture flourished. The general populace only supported and followed Mao because they were even more clueless than he was. Similar situation - with even more tragic consequences - in NK and Cambodia.

What most Chinese have still not apprehended is that you cannot buy civilisation with US dollars. Just ask the Americans.

No, the solution is to change the rules about, and ways of dealing with, accidents and their consequences...

That's half a solution. The best one is to eliminate human drivers. It will happen ... eventually. China will be the last to adopt the system because doing so would "slow their economic growth".
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Re: Hit and run toddler in China ignored by passers by

Postby tommy525 » 19 Oct 2011, 14:39

warning graphic-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=a6-gxmkENAo

Another chinese driver backed up his BMW over a young kid who shouldnt have been in the road by himself in the first place. HE drove over the kid several times back and forth apparently not knowing what he was running over. Then he came out and the car went over the kid again because he had not put it in Park I guess.

DIdnt seem to be intentional tho.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOGwTXSK ... re=related

streets with crowded traffic are not for children , nor are they for pets.

What is needed is proper education. Keep your kids off the streets at all times and keep your pets off too.

Kids and pets do not belong by themselves on the streets or exactly these things happen. Whos fault is it? The people responsible for the kids and the pets.


heres one with a good ending-

some people do help. This clip shows a lady knocked off her scooter and the car that ran the red light sped off. But the fact that taiwan has many cameras eventually succeeded in him being identified over 60km away. The lady was not seriously hurt. Some people working at a nearby binlang store came to help her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN18Vszu ... re=related
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Re: Hit and run toddler in China ignored by passers by

Postby Icon » 20 Oct 2011, 10:29

A bit of a "positive" side to this tragedy: at least, people -not only Chinese, but all over the world- are questioning themselves over the need to help in such cases:

Neither episode is necessarily representative: many Chinese do help those in dire straits, and, obviously, Americans do not always come to the rescue. But thousands of microbloggers in China have used the juxtaposition of callousness and heroism to fuel a wrenching debate over whether people in their country lack compassion and, if so, why.

It is the sort of national conversation, increasingly common now, that did not exist before in a land where the printed press and broadcast media largely remain controlled by a Communist Party more interested in directing public opinion than in reflecting on the national mood. “What kind of nation is this?” asked one microblogger who called himself Patton Yu. “It doesn’t matter if an individual’s nature is good or bad, it’s the system that has made us deteriorate.”
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/19/world ... rld&src=me

This bit applies to my birth country just as well:
“The law is supposed to be the bottom line of a society,” he said. “Anything above that line is not about the law. Above the bottom line, China does not have any guideline for social behavior. There is no religion or faith. There are no role models.


The woman who stopped to help the child is now being criticized as "doing it for fame". To help is not considered a positive trait, hence the backfire. Until it does, then those incidents can't be prevented from happening again and again.
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