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Re: Weld on wheel nut?

Postby Ducked » 31 Jan 2012, 12:12

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mabagal wrote:If it doesn't look like the other ones, just replace it already.


I would agree with this, assuming their is also no damage to the wheel rim and stud. It doesn't seem like a biggie at this point from the images I have seen.

To be honest, and not to sound disrespectful, as I know many of my customers sometimes worry about all kinds of things, and especially if they are not mechanically minded, but this kind of issue is really a non issue and offers little or nothing to worry about if this is the extent of it.


Fair enough. Just thought it was strange. I'm pretty sure its weld.
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Re: Weld on wheel nut?

Postby Ducked » 04 Apr 2012, 12:01

Wheel wouldn't budge hit with a club hammer or levered. Ended up driving over a speed bump with the lug nuts finger-tight.

That budged it, though there might have been some minor damage to the threads.

Dont have any brake grease. AFAIK I've only seen it for sale here in big tins containing 500,000 years supply, presumably because they're intended for pros.

I did my sunflower oil/beercan-in-a-drill-chuck thing on the hub, and then a cats-cradle of PTFE plumbers tape around the studs, and a layer of aluminium foil on the wheel, to hopefully reduce the chance of it sticking again.

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I suppose its possible this'll reduce lateral friction and cause extra load/wear on the studs.

If my wheel comes off, and I survive, I'll let y'all know.

I'll need some brake grease (Coppaslip is the make I know) before I do the back brakes (even I'm not too comfortable improvising in there) so if I can't find an alternative I'll have to buy one of the huge tins.
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Re: Weld on wheel nut?

Postby sulavaca » 04 Apr 2012, 20:34

You will need to ask around for 消音油

I guarantee almost nowhere is professional enough to supply this. It took me quite some time to find an industrial supplier for our workshop and as far as I know we are the only workshop which uses it on all brake strips and services to properly keep them lubricated and relatively free from corrosion. We also, always add it to drum-wheel mating surfaces to help prevent the situation you have suffered.
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Re: Weld on wheel nut?

Postby Ducked » 06 Apr 2012, 15:23

sulavaca wrote:You will need to ask around for 消音油

I guarantee almost nowhere is professional enough to supply this. It took me quite some time to find an industrial supplier for our workshop and as far as I know we are the only workshop which uses it on all brake strips and services to properly keep them lubricated and relatively free from corrosion. We also, always add it to drum-wheel mating surfaces to help prevent the situation you have suffered.


gf found this. Not Coppaslip but seems to be for the same application, and the quantity (though still a few thousand years supply for me) isn't too huge.

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Re: Weld on wheel nut?

Postby sulavaca » 06 Apr 2012, 21:56

Well done.
Now you need to use some emery paper and a wire brush to clean your drum-wheel mating surfaces before applying it.
For drums, you should remove your rear brake shoes, rub, down and clean the mating surfaces, and then apply the grease. For calipers, you need to remove the pads, rub down and clean the pad metal edges as well as caliper fixings, then apply the grease.
You can also add a little grease to the wheel nut studs before screwing the nuts back on.
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Re: Weld on wheel nut?

Postby Ducked » 08 Apr 2012, 07:43

Misunderstanding.

I thought she'd located some in Taiwan ( as she has in the past for other relatively obscure items) but it turns out that's an Amazon item and fairly pricy once shipped.

Nice of her to look though, and it'd do at a pinch.
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Re: Weld on wheel nut?

Postby sulavaca » 08 Apr 2012, 11:28

Ducked wrote:Misunderstanding.

I thought she'd located some in Taiwan ( as she has in the past for other relatively obscure items) but it turns out that's an Amazon item and fairly pricy once shipped.

Nice of her to look though, and it'd do at a pinch.


If you really need to purchase some and if you are in Taipei, I can ask my colleague to order some for you in his next order, which typically goes in once a month. As I said, it's a very difficult thing to obtain typically and I'd be surprised if you come across it easily. If you do, then I'd be very happy to learn where you get yours from just in case it's more local to us. We order ours from an oil supplier. They order it especially for us from their foreign supplier. According to our Agip Rep., we are the only purchaser of this product he knows of.
I have seen one other specialist garage use very small tubes of this, which sometimes come with certain brake pad brands, but that's all.
It's frustrating I know, as brake grease is as common as toothpaste back in the U.K. Taiwan just isn't that professional I'm afraid.

The same goes for LM grease which we use for C.V. joints. It's not simple to order as almost every garage and supplier in Taiwan will insist that HM grease does exactly the same job. Which obviously it doesn't.
Honestly, you have to have a lot of patience when sourcing some of the most basic stuff in Taiwan. So good luck!
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Re: Weld on wheel nut?

Postby Ducked » 09 Apr 2012, 07:51

If I find some its likely to be in Kaoshiung (Gaoxiong). I don't know of many likely sources here in Tainan, and I don't often get ap norf.
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Re: Weld on wheel nut?

Postby Ducked » 03 Aug 2012, 08:59

Found some on the shelf in Kaoshiung (Gaoxiong). Looks like the real thing. 450NT, IIRC, for 500g, which is quite a lot more than I need.

Mr S, if you are interested in this as a possible supply source I can find out the address and phone number, which I don't currently know, though of course I know where the place is. Long way from Taipei though, and probably not worth messing with if you've got an established supply.

The rust on the tin rim suggests it doesnt exactly leap off the shelves

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Re: Weld on wheel nut?

Postby sulavaca » 05 Aug 2012, 12:44

Well done! You've found possibly the only shelved tin in Taiwan I reckon!

We do have a supplier of our own, but thanks for the offer.
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