250cc lightweight motorcycles, not made by CPI

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Re: 250cc lightweight motorcycles, not made by CPI

Postby rk1951 » 23 Nov 2011, 11:34

sulavaca wrote:How are these SYM T2affairs? Anyone?


I saw on the news recently that they are having engine failures. I have not seen one yet on the road.
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Re: 250cc lightweight motorcycles, not made by CPI

Postby sandman » 23 Nov 2011, 13:57

rk1951 wrote:
sulavaca wrote:How are these SYM T2affairs? Anyone?


I saw on the news recently that they are having engine failures. I have not seen one yet on the road.

There's one in the lane where I pick my kid up from the nanny. Its been lying on its side at the side of the road for the last two weeks. I saw some kind of Yamaha white-plate bike yesterday, though. Looked pretty nice. Naked sport-style.
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Re: 250cc lightweight motorcycles, not made by CPI

Postby maunaloa » 23 Nov 2011, 17:04

SYM T2. First generation m/c from a Taiwanese mfr. Think 1st gen CPI 250. Me... I would wait until after the factory is flooded at least once. :)
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Re: 250cc lightweight motorcycles, not made by CPI

Postby Ducked » 04 Dec 2011, 16:06

There was a car show at University of Southern Taiwan (in Tainan) this weekend. (Predictably fairly uninteresting apart from some student projects that everyone ignored, but I bought some sockets to replace ones I'd lost.)

Sym had a T2 on their stand. Its a water-cooled engine, so not "simply" a scaled-up version of the CB/CG125, though perhaps a water-jacket isn't too technically taxing an addition, dunno.

4WIW the minder lad said the engine was developed and built in Taiwan.

I wanted to ask about the reports of engine problems, but my Taiwanette translator wasn't prepared to infict that much facial injury. Of course one couldn't expect a frank answer anyway.

(OT but to alleviate shiny-car boredom a bit, I asked to see the engine on a VW Golf.

I havn't really looked at the engine on many new cars. I'd guess one isn't supposed to.

Consternation!!! Took them so long to find the bonnet release I began to wonder if there was anything inside.

I can report that, although the engine compartment seems rather crowded, oil-filter access is unusually good, (though according to my translator the salesperson didn't know what it was) and they are now putting the battery in a plastic box, which is what I do, though usually too late.)
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Re: 250cc lightweight motorcycles, not made by CPI

Postby Rennes » 20 Mar 2012, 18:43

I'm curious, has anyone had a chance to check out the SYM T2?
How's the engine and HP? I wonder how fast they can go. Are all of the FI?

Out of boredom, I looked them up on Ruten, and saw them going for around 135,000 NT. I'm not sure how much they cost new.

If you had 135,000 to spend on a bike, what would you get in Taiwan?

(Don't say the Hornet, because I noticed their prices spiked and are significantly more expensive now, than 6 months ago or so) :)
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Re: 250cc lightweight motorcycles, not made by CPI

Postby Durbanite » 20 Mar 2012, 19:24

I looked into those T2 bikes a while ago, couldn't find any news on engine failures anymore, however they had a cut - out issue I think. But not many faults overall.
Brand new they go for$150 000. They push out 25ps, and I think the top speed is around 150km/h, not on gps though... Yes, they have EFI.

They look really good, but couldn't be arsed to spend so much on a bike, thinking about the new CPI sm250.... looks hot... and 40k cheaper. Power is pretty much the same (24ps), difference is weight, Sym T2 - 170 odd kg's, sm250 is 115kg's... Power to weight, SM seems better.
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Re: 250cc lightweight motorcycles, not made by CPI

Postby Rennes » 20 Mar 2012, 20:07

Do you mind sending a link to the CPI. I've heard too many horror stories of the CPI, so I'm not considering it, but would like to check it out for curiosity sake.

I am not into the whole dirtbike look. Is the CPI decent for carrying a passenger? I wonder how the T2 is for that.

25 HP seems pretty decent for a Taiwanese made bike. I guess it's hard to justify spending 150,000 on a new T2 when you can get a Honda Hornet 250 for that much, which has 40 HP...

I personally prefer the Quannon's look over the T1/T2, but since it's a 250cc, maybe it's worth considering.
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Re: 250cc lightweight motorcycles, not made by CPI

Postby Durbanite » 20 Mar 2012, 20:17

http://www.cpi-motor.com.tw/tw/product/ ... d=1&page=1

This is the link, it does look more off-roady... hehe but I don't care, I like the power and weight on it, besides, replace a few minor things and apparently the issues with CPI disappear, (carb is the main issue from what I have heard, not expensive to replace.)

Dunno about carrying a passenger on the sm, I don't have one, looking at buying one though.
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Re: 250cc lightweight motorcycles, not made by CPI

Postby Rennes » 20 Mar 2012, 20:33

I can't read Chinese.

What is its seat height? It looks fun to play around with, but might not be ideal for long rides, which is something I want to do.

How much do used ones go for?
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Re: 250cc lightweight motorcycles, not made by CPI

Postby Durbanite » 20 Mar 2012, 20:57

I think the seat height is about 88cm.

Seems like the bike is made for taller people cos I read in a few places that people around 174cm can just touch the ground when sitting on the bike... People have also said that the seat is very uncomfortable for long journeys, but with a bit more padding it will be fine...
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