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Re: why does everyone think taiwan is poor?

Postby finley » 18 May 2012, 11:21

Maybe next time you should keep a pitbull on your farm...


Or a bull. One that hasn't been getting any lately.
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Re: why does everyone think taiwan is poor?

Postby Taiwan Luthiers » 18 May 2012, 12:29

finley wrote:
Maybe next time you should keep a pitbull on your farm...


Or a bull. One that hasn't been getting any lately.


Or if you can get one of these:

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Re: why does everyone think taiwan is poor?

Postby forealz » 22 May 2014, 18:09

yes taiwan looks like a very poor third world country even tho it's not. many "upscale areas" like Tianmu look like lower middle class neighborhoods in developed countries. housing/buildings are very much neglected for whatever strange weird reason even tho the occupants might be millionaires and the interiors are luxurious. same with the landscaping. the middle class areas look like ghettos in other countries. even manila - in philippines, which is very much a third world country - looks more cosmopolitan and modern compared to taipei and other taiwanese cities even tho taiwanese cities are much safer and people more developed world than filipino cities. taiwanese need to step up and change their culture and mindset towards good architecture/building maintenance/landscaping. :noway:

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Re: why does everyone think taiwan is poor?

Postby Hokwongwei » 22 May 2014, 18:58

That photo is worth 1,000 words. Thanks for this.
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Re: why does everyone think taiwan is poor?

Postby Blaquesmith » 22 May 2014, 20:24

I was in Manila with my wife in december 2012. It's far, far worse than Taipei. Armed guards (pistol and shotgun) everywhere, even in the entrance to a 7-11 or Starbucks. The guards at the banks carried assault rifles. Makati (which can be seen in the photo you posted) looks better, but only because it has armed guards all along the perimeter. It's almost impossible to take a taxi after sunset, there are no formal bus lines (it's all about those refurbished jeeps and trucks where people just jump on there). The traffic is even worse than in Taiwan, from the airport to Makati (15-20 minutes drive), our taxi driver almost trampled a whole family, an old man, and a mother pushing a stroller.

Yes, Makati's buildings look more "civilized" or modern than the ones in Taipei, but if you go around the areas with new developments, like Neihu or some areas in Xinyi, the aspect is almost the same, except that the buildings are not so tall as Makati's. They even have proper sidewalks. Also, tall doesn't mean good. If you get the average height of the buildings in cities like Paris or London, you won't get a high number.
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Re: why does everyone think taiwan is poor?

Postby finley » 22 May 2014, 22:25

I just got back from Manila (only had to spend 24 hours there, thankfully). It's an unmitigated shithole. Taipei might have plenty of ugly architecture, but despite appearances, it's 100% civilised. Knife-wielding maniacs are a once-in-a-decade occurrence, not a regular feature of city life. Those guards with shotguns are both a symptom and a cause - a lot of the criminals get their guns by the simple expedient of knifing a security guard.

I'd be the first to argue that Taiwan needs to get its act together regarding the built environment, but that doesn't make it a third-world country. The same is true of virtually every other city I've been to.
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Re: why does everyone think taiwan is poor?

Postby Micahel » 23 May 2014, 06:59

Believe the postulate for the this topic is wrong. Do not think everyone thinks it is poor. Those of us from the US see it as different, but so is every other Asian country. Anyone who thinks it is poor has not spent much time analyzing Taiwan. Go try to buy property/housing here, then the you conclude, there are a lot of Taiwanese with money! Other comparisons (with respect to the US); 1) Houses are all poured concrete which is significantly more expensive than frame construction, 2) In general, believe you see more luxury cars here and cars in better condition than in most US cities, 3) Construction of expressways and bridges exceeds US standards (of course due to earthquakes). 4) General investment in manufacturing buildings and equipment.
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Re: why does everyone think taiwan is poor?

Postby nonredneck » 23 May 2014, 08:48

Taiwanese are rich. There are poor people yes but the locals have money. I think they project the "just defeated by the communists" attitude and "we are refugees" . Maybe in the 50s and 60s that would have been true but not now.
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Re: why does everyone think taiwan is poor?

Postby forealz » 23 May 2014, 14:52

yea I think most taiwanese still have the temporary stay mentality passed down from the first generation who fled china along with chiang kai-shek. they'd rather hoard the money rather than spend it on permanent housing/structures and build everything with quality architecture and materials. look at all the other Asian countries spending so much money hiring world class foreign architecture firms to build their national projects like airports and train stations and supertall skyscrapers. because they know they have the experience and technical know how and are great at design compared to local talent. taiwanese are too cheap and too protective of their own industries like architecture. companies there mostly hire local talent and most of them suck. look at all those gawd-awful tacky faux nouveau european style apartment towers dotting all over Taiwan. so tacky and dreadful and heavy looking. big heavy thick concrete buildings with tiny windows and tacky european ornamentation. so inappropriate for a tropical pacific island Asian country - wrong climate and wrong topography!! compare this to other Asian countries who are all building modern futuristic buildings with lots of glass.

taipei MRT is world class in terms of function and cleanliness, but design is completely subpar. it looks so dated and practical, nothing really futuristic in design nor innovative. look at taipei main station. I mean, how can that still look like that in 2014??? in other countries that frickin' ugly dirty stained pizza hut building wouldve been completely knocked down and replaced!!

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compare that to beijing rail station!!! :noway:

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Re: why does everyone think taiwan is poor?

Postby headhonchoII » 23 May 2014, 14:57

Yeah but you can actually get some good grub in there now, so it sure beats the old days!
I admit it could do with a bit of sprucing up. :cactus:
Most of the new stuff is built much better, the problem in Taiwan (generally) is they already built so much crappy concrete stuff everywhere you'd be better off demolishing whole towns in some places and just starting from scratch.

It also has to be said that there are a lot of people on the breadline in Taiwan. Taiwan's incomes have fallen VERY far behind the other Asian tigers (3-6 X LESS than Korea/Japan/HK/Singapore), and only a subset of the population are well-off, most of the population are just working long hours everyday to keep afloat and send their kids to overpriced buxibans and paying for overpriced houses and are not well off at all. Average incomes don't show the full story, in central and Southern Taiwan most people are just making around 30k/mth I'd say (and out of that comes from there Lao Bao and Jian Bao), with millions making minimum wage of 19k (before deductions). Social welfare barely exists so it's a hard life for many.
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