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Re: why does everyone think taiwan is poor?

Postby Blaquesmith » 23 May 2014, 17:37

forealz wrote:other Asian countries who are all building modern futuristic buildings with lots of glass.


And then again, they're thinking of closing the Burj Khalifa (at least a part of it) because they can't afford the air conditioning.

Glass + tropical climate= not a good idea.

Yes, most architecture here sucks, but they should adapt to the environmental conditions, not focus on the design only.
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Re: why does everyone think taiwan is poor?

Postby Mucha Man » 23 May 2014, 17:56

finley wrote:I just got back from Manila (only had to spend 24 hours there, thankfully). It's an unmitigated shithole. Taipei might have plenty of ugly architecture, but despite appearances, it's 100% civilised. Knife-wielding maniacs are a once-in-a-decade occurrence, not a regular feature of city life. Those guards with shotguns are both a symptom and a cause - a lot of the criminals get their guns by the simple expedient of knifing a security guard.

I'd be the first to argue that Taiwan needs to get its act together regarding the built environment, but that doesn't make it a third-world country. The same is true of virtually every other city I've been to.


I agree. I've been in Kuala Lumpur now for 6 months my early praise for it being a better looking city that Taipei is now gone. The downtown area is a ludicrous maze where you go from one cave area to another. There are no straight lines in this city; you literally cannot usually see more than 100m ahead of you. Dark corners, blind corners, stuff in your way everywhere: a muggers dream scape. Driving is civilized but the road system was designed by a Jackson Pollack fan. Public transport is non-existent and traffic is a nightmare. You have to time every trip to avoid jams but also to be able to get parking at your destination.

Security is shit. Everyone you talk to, and now that includes me, will have been victim of a mugging, a house breakin, a car jacking, or just some random assault. The country is held together by Nepalese guards who are paid like monkeys.

Getting anything decent quality is expensive but then the work, also expensive, is shit. Just had a washing machine repaired and it cost US$200 but it still doesn't work. Similar problem to what I once had in Taipei which cost US$10 and never broke down again.

This is developing country shit. Don't like it one bit.
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Re: why does everyone think taiwan is poor?

Postby Hokwongwei » 23 May 2014, 18:10

I would never argue that KL or Manila are nicer cities than Taipei, which will always and forever hold a special place in my heart. It's just sad that for businesspeople or visitors spending only a day or two in the city, Greater Taipei comes off as a grungy provincial capital rather than a country's seat of government and cultural and economic center.
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Re: why does everyone think taiwan is poor?

Postby forealz » 23 May 2014, 18:27

Blaquesmith wrote:
forealz wrote:other Asian countries who are all building modern futuristic buildings with lots of glass.


And then again, they're thinking of closing the Burj Khalifa (at least a part of it) because they can't afford the air conditioning.

Glass + tropical climate= not a good idea.

Yes, most architecture here sucks, but they should adapt to the environmental conditions, not focus on the design only.


it's also tropical in Singapore, thailand, malaysia, indonesia, etc and there plenty of glass buildings there. point is, they can make the architecture look much better other than using concrete. and why cant they use colored concrete or paint the frickin concrete??? why does it always have to be ugly typical grey concrete? and brown tiled buildings?? use wood, use paint, use more textured surfaces, use textured concrete. use your imagination!!!
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Re: why does everyone think taiwan is poor?

Postby Icon » 23 May 2014, 18:47

Too expensive... sigh*

What I'd wish is some insulation, temperature control measures. I can live without the esthetics, but the furnace/freezer combo is more depressing. And unhealthier.
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Re: why does everyone think taiwan is poor?

Postby forealz » 23 May 2014, 18:56

why, is paint that expensive in Taiwan?? if every building was painted in taiwan and periodically cleaned and maintained, the country would look 100 times better. taiwanese are not that poor to buy paint and paint the exteriors. and also the interiors instead of just having white walls. and use regular light bulbs instead of cheap fluorescent lighting. they have the money, but they just have a cheap mindset and cheap habits.
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Re: why does everyone think taiwan is poor?

Postby Hokwongwei » 23 May 2014, 19:29

forealz wrote:if every building was painted in taiwan and periodically cleaned and maintained


One: pa mafan
Two: It's hard to figure out who is responsible. I live in one of those old fashioned gongyus, and we have a total of 20 units in the building but no management. Who would I contact about painting? I could try to petition my neighbors, but if just one person disagrees, I could face legal challenges if I go ahead with it.
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Re: why does everyone think taiwan is poor?

Postby Icon » 23 May 2014, 21:23

Won't forgive not forget, uh? LOL.
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Re: why does everyone think taiwan is poor?

Postby Blaquesmith » 23 May 2014, 23:41

Hokwongwei wrote:
forealz wrote:if every building was painted in taiwan and periodically cleaned and maintained


One: pa mafan
Two: It's hard to figure out who is responsible. I live in one of those old fashioned gongyus, and we have a total of 20 units in the building but no management. Who would I contact about painting? I could try to petition my neighbors, but if just one person disagrees, I could face legal challenges if I go ahead with it.


Three: chabuduo.

Most buildings (god knows why) have those horrible bathroom tiles outside. In a country affected by typhoons, having tiles outside is not a good idea.

I've seen some buildings in the Da'an area that are taking down those horrible tiles and using monolayer colored mortar, which is much, much better than the tiles. It's usually hydrophobic, and if it gets dirty because of the rampant pollution and the rain, you just paint over it. They are even trying to hide the phone/cable/adsl wires to make the façade look pretty! :bravo:
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Re: why does everyone think taiwan is poor?

Postby forealz » 24 May 2014, 06:59

Hokwongwei wrote:
forealz wrote:if every building was painted in taiwan and periodically cleaned and maintained


One: pa mafan
Two: It's hard to figure out who is responsible. I live in one of those old fashioned gongyus, and we have a total of 20 units in the building but no management. Who would I contact about painting? I could try to petition my neighbors, but if just one person disagrees, I could face legal challenges if I go ahead with it.



doesnt somebody own the building? contact the owner. why would the neighbors complain if they dont even own the building and just renting it? or are you talking about a condominium not a rental building? still, there is should be an owner or company who owns the building and is responsible for exterior/building maintenance. dont you guys have to pay monthly maintenance fees? the residential laws in taiwan are truly fricking strange. I would say even third world!! :loco:
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