Taiwan the "fishless" island

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Re: Taiwan the "fishless" island

Postby bigduke6 » 25 Apr 2012, 19:26

I think many other countries have realized the destruction of over fishing and have put laws in place that are enforced.
There is nothing more frustrating then seeing fishing in protected areas under the eyes of the very people tasked to protect these areas. Hence zero enforcement or will to enforce.
Now I just cut traps and lines when I am diving, because no local seems to give a fuck.
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Re: Taiwan the "fishless" island

Postby Mucha Man » 25 Apr 2012, 22:10

bigduke6 wrote:I think many other countries have realized the destruction of over fishing and have put laws in place that are enforced.
There is nothing more frustrating then seeing fishing in protected areas under the eyes of the very people tasked to protect these areas. Hence zero enforcement or will to enforce.
Now I just cut traps and lines when I am diving, because no local seems to give a fuck.


Can you name any? There are massive dead zones all over the world's oceans and little is being done to prevent overfishing with a few exceptions such as Alaska, some areas of the American east coast, Portugal to a degree and a few others. Otherwise it is destructive behavior across the board with lip service to sustainability and protection.

I can hardly point my finger at the Taiwanese when my own home province allowed our wild salmon runs to be destroyed.
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Re: Taiwan the "fishless" island

Postby Northcoast Surfer » 09 May 2012, 16:00

05-09-2012 - Baishawan Bay - North Coast Taiwan

Illegally parked vehicle on the walking path, next to a sign which says no fishing and then fishing right in front of the sign! The girl in the truck was just taking out their portable flower pot type BBQ grill when I was leaving.

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I saw almost the exact same thing in a fresh water stream in the farmlands around Sanzhi this past Sunday. Three scooters punks, drinking beer, BBQing, smoking, and fishing right next to the sign which said, "No Fishing".
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Re: Taiwan the "fishless" island

Postby PigBloodCake » 09 May 2012, 17:07

Muzha Man wrote:This is the state of most fisheries around the world. Gone.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 1O909B.DTL

"After four years of closures and shortened seasons, our prized California king salmon is back."

If only Taiwan would follow US example :(
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Re: Taiwan the "fishless" island

Postby Enigma » 13 May 2012, 01:29

After Japan finishes off any productive fishing grounds, caught and sold anything that is moving, China can finish off the microbes. Unfortunately, Taiwan has fisherman too. They are left with the algae and we are left with the shit.
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Re: Taiwan the "fishless" island

Postby Enigma » 13 May 2012, 01:36

Why? Why? Why? does the public put up with this massacre of the oceans. This space is mine and yours. Yet, few are ready to kick ass. It's about time that the public, ya! us! stood up and say NO!. You fish here, your boat is going to the bottom. Nobody has the balls. That's the problem. Taiwan is my home and I understand the need to make a living for the fishermen that harvest the algae. Yet, when they go head to head with illegal competitors, it is usually the Taiwan fishermen that have to hunker down and apologise for offending the true culprits. If you enjoy seafood, be sure to write down your memories. That's all your grandchildren will enjoy.
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Re: Taiwan the "fishless" island

Postby finley » 13 May 2012, 22:58

It is weird, isn't it ... but public apathy is hardly new. The entire planet is being munched up and spat out by the industrial machine, and people just shrug and say, yeah, but you have to do that because I want my iPod and my Ikea furniture; plenty of people will aggressively defend the destruction on that basis (check out some of the posts in the Japan's Nuclear Reactors thread). Nobody is educated enough to know that, actually, you DON'T have to do that, and you can still have your iPod and your cheap shitty furniture.

It sometimes seems to me that the entire point of modern education is to fill young heads with untruths so that they will compliantly fill their place in the big Machine and say "well, what ya gonna do?" when they hear about things like this happening.

A few people do make an attempt to aggressively defend the sea (I was reading recently about some S.A. guy who found himself an interesting gig in Sierra Leone chasing off illegal Chinese trawlers) but international law is firmly on the side of those who are buggering it up.

btw, Taiwanese trawlers are often found fishing in places they shouldn't, and doing things they shouldn't. A lot of the shark-fin trade is controlled by Taiwanese "companies". I assume they get away with this more readily than most because Taiwan officially doesn't exist.
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Re: Taiwan the "fishless" island

Postby Pingdong » 14 May 2012, 04:11

farming inland can be done pretty well and pretty clean. they already have everything built here they need only spend some time researching good food sources locally that produce fast and farm them inland. but then you compete for land stuff and its easier to just poach something from a huge big ocean.

short term gain, long term pain. in the end animal systems that run with plant systems, especially aquatic ones, is what is going to be the future of food....unless we pull some cool star trek stuff. common sense will likely come before star trek technology though.
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Taiwan the "fishless" island

Postby headhonchoII » 14 May 2012, 07:14

Seemingly most of the fish consumed is already farmed, if course you would need to check the inputs from wild fish feed for farmed fish. Population growth, tech advancement and economic growth have also increases pressure on fish stocks.
The rule of 'open seas' has caused this , with no owner in the human sense there is little incentive for governments to take care of them for their own immediate good.
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Re: Taiwan the "fishless" island

Postby Pingdong » 15 May 2012, 03:49

hehe. If anyone has tried eating a jellyfish, I'm sure it was a Taiwanese person. Not sure why im thinking milk tea when you mention that.

I think one of the biggest things they need to get away from with farmed fish is the fish meal from wild stocks...its really pretty illogical. there are other protein sources that give off other byproducts that are just as effective and easier to culture/process.
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