"Maria" The domestic female worker

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Re: "Maria" The domestic female worker

Postby touduke » 03 May 2012, 16:05

ChewDawg wrote:
touduke wrote:
just out of curiosity - are these TN-1 Nafta visa professionals coming from Mexico also not allowed to marry or to get pregnant like their "counterparts" in Taiwan? Are they allowed to chose habitation, are they allowed to leave their dorm by night, is their passport confiscated, do they have fixed working hours? How much are they protected by law - or how much are they depending on the "good-will" of their bosses?


The answer to your question would depend/differ based on the employer---just as in Taiwan. :lol:


ChewDang - that's not correct and kind of insulting to the US system.
There are important differences. To name some:
TN-1 Nafta professionals in the US have the chance to get their spouses and children into the US for the time of their employment (TD status). After the spouse is in the US she/he can try to change the TD into a temporary working visa and legally work. Domestic helpers in Taiwan can't have thior kids or spouse in the country to live with them.
ASAIK There is no limit of years a person can be on TN-1 status.
A TN-1 professional can change or add employers (at least in some states in the US), something a domestic worker in Taiwan can't do (legally).
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Re: "Maria" The domestic female worker

Postby GuyInTaiwan » 03 May 2012, 17:10

finley: Careful there or someone will use that argument for the legalisation of other things too.
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Re: "Maria" The domestic female worker

Postby Super Hans » 04 May 2012, 01:16

The discrimination begins with the long lines at the immigration offices in Taiwan where the Marias get their fingerprints and photographs taken, along with an iris scan. If you want to implement this system for foreign workers, at least implement it across the board and not to a select sub group immigrants.
I have met many foreign helpers here in Taiwan, and many of them are qualified carers and nurses and I have even met one doctor. Many of them are more qualified then you or i could ever hope to be.
Giving up your family, your home and your way of life to earn a comparably decent living is a very honourable thing to do. To then be treated as a non-person - as so many home-helps undeniably are here in Taiwan - by both the state and by their clients - well, that is a sound definition of what it is to be humble.
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"Maria" The domestic female worker

Postby headhonchoII » 04 May 2012, 05:41

Many of us were just born lucky, the right timing or the right place. My own grandmother worked as a domestic helper in the UK during WWII. I never heard her complain about it although I'm sure it wasn't easy at times. She met my grandfather there who was working in a factory and in a mine, they moved back home, built a house on common land and made a great life for themselves. My grandmother died this year and she was well looked after herself in her old age by carers and nurses from the Philippines and many other countries. Maybe we can't change the law and the whole society overnight but if we have carers working for our families we can give them the time off and treat them with the respect they deserve. One day a week off, no excuses.
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