My wife's thoughts on being married and having children in Taiwan (pt 1)

[housecat]

This is very off topic now. We have a good second thread going though.

I have no problem with what austin is saying. It seems fairly obviously true. Why not? There are many schemes about for getting green cards. Birth tourism would seem like one of the cheaper options, really.

The US offers "investor visas" that lead to green cards to wealthy people who can open businesses in America. You can marry a citizen. You can renounce your current citizenship and then go through naturalization. You can have a family member who has done one of these things do the paperwork and pay the fees to get you there. You can apply for political asylum. Or you can take a tour and have your baby.

Or now, you can go there illegally and attend school, or pay out of state tuition to go to college/university, then apply for a special worker status. This is new, btw. You can't ever become a citzen this way, but you can be a legal resident if you agree to stay and work in low wage conditions. I'm not making that up.

So, if you're allready pregnant, and if you have the money, and if you want to live in America some day, or if you want your child to--then why not? You're not doing anything illegal and you're not a threat to security.

And I don't have a problem with any of it. The worker visa came about after some idiot in GA sent all the illegal workers packing and then faced an uproar from local farmers who had crops left rotting in the fields because they couldn't find anyone to work to bring it in! This really happened--and NO ONE anticipated it. Even at tripple what the farmer was paying the illegal worker, any American workers who braved that job quit quicky because it's back breaking work under a blistering sun and the Americans are too soft for that kind of work. I'm not making this us.

People these days, and especially in an election year, seem to forget that America was founded by illegal immigrants. Oh what a different life the Native Americans would have if they felt back then as we feel now!

[photi]

You can renounce your current citizenship and then go through naturalization.

The US does not require you to renounce your citizenship to naturalize. However, your country of origin (China, India, Japan, Singapore for example) may require it.

[housecat]

You can renounce your current citizenship and then go through naturalization.

The US does not require you to renounce your citizenship to naturalize. However, your country of origin (China, India, Japan, Singapore for example) may require it.

That's right. Sorry I implied otherwise.

[Confuzius]

People these days, and especially in an election year, seem to forget that America was founded by illegal immigrants. Oh what a different life the Native Americans would have if they felt back then as we feel now!

This is simply untrue.

Native Americans had no borders over any organized states, no 'immigration policy', no 'citizenship' and certainly no laws concerning immigration.

So the white folks who came, were not illegally immigrating....its a totally different concept (bleeding hearts like to pretend they are somehow the same though).

[housecat]

People these days, and especially in an election year, seem to forget that America was founded by illegal immigrants. Oh what a different life the Native Americans would have if they felt back then as we feel now!

This is simply untrue.

Native Americans had no borders over any organized states, no 'immigration policy', no 'citizenship' and certainly no laws concerning immigration.

So the white folks who came, were not illegally immigrating....its a totally different concept (bleeding hearts like to pretend they are somehow the same though).

Well, yes. But I was waxing a bit metaphorical. Still, America is what it is today because of immigration, legal or otherwise. Our anthem of allegiance pledges justice and liberty for ALL. Our Ellis Island Icon of LIBERTY reads thusly:
Author: Emma Lazarus

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

[headhonchoII]

People these days, and especially in an election year, seem to forget that America was founded by illegal immigrants. Oh what a different life the Native Americans would have if they felt back then as we feel now!

This is simply untrue.

Native Americans had no borders over any organized states, no 'immigration policy', no 'citizenship' and certainly no laws concerning immigration.

So the white folks who came, were not illegally immigrating....its a totally different concept (bleeding hearts like to pretend they are somehow the same though).

Any yet they could be said to have original title to ALL the land they resided on. They don't reside in these lands anymore because of genocidal policies. I'm not saying that Americans living now are responsible for that, but that's what happened in general, if you want to go back into history. A dark place.

[touduke]

People these days, and especially in an election year, seem to forget that America was founded by illegal immigrants. Oh what a different life the Native Americans would have if they felt back then as we feel now!

This is simply untrue.
Native Americans had no borders over any organized states, no 'immigration policy', no 'citizenship' and certainly no laws concerning immigration.
So the white folks who came, were not illegally immigrating....its a totally different concept (bleeding hearts like to pretend they are somehow the same though).

Todays America was certainly not founded by native Americans - that is the most important part of the thought up there, not if the term or the concept of illegal immigrants did exist at the time. A nation of immigrants should remember that they themselves (some generations ago) went away from the land where they lived for hundreds of years to go and seek a better life.

[Petrichor]

People these days, and especially in an election year, seem to forget that America was founded by illegal immigrants. Oh what a different life the Native Americans would have if they felt back then as we feel now!

This is simply untrue.

Native Americans had no borders over any organized states, no 'immigration policy', no 'citizenship' and certainly no laws concerning immigration.

So the white folks who came, were not illegally immigrating....its a totally different concept (bleeding hearts like to pretend they are somehow the same though).

Any yet they could be said to have original title to ALL the land they resided on. They don't reside in these lands anymore because of genocidal policies. I'm not saying that Americans living now are responsible for that, but that's what happened in general, if you want to go back into history. A dark place.

I was reading recently that the US was 95% depopulated by the time of the first waves of colonisation due to diseases from the Old World.

[headhonchoII]

I don't think there is any good evidence to back that assertion up, besides it is immaterial to the genocidal policies that continued right up to the end of the 19th century in some cases.

[Tempo Gain]

I don't think there is any good evidence to back that assertion up

There is actually, though I doubt the 95% number. In certain areas with early contact perhaps, notably New England. This book discusses the issue in detail:

http://www.amazon.com/1491-Revelations- ... 140004006X

I don't see much reason to doubt the impact; Old World diseases ravaged New World peoples everywhere.