(Theory) Why Some Foreigners Never Leave Taiwan...

[Mucha Man]

Taiwan did in effect have open immigration for low skilled workers during the last 15 years. Several hundred thousand SE Asian brides came and settle and had babies at a higher rate than average. It was all unofficial though though so I don't know what this balance is you are talking about Asian boy.Do you include these women in family migrants?

[headhonchoII]

That's a good point. It seems females are okay but males not welcome. Asian boy, do you ever visit the South of Taiwan? Most of the restaurants are staffed by immigrants and huge numbers of kids have foreign mothers.

[asian boy]

That's a good point. It seems females are okay but males not welcome. Asian boy, do you ever visit the South of Taiwan? Most of the restaurants are staffed by immigrants and huge numbers of kids have foreign mothers.

Yes HH I travel so southern Taiwan a lot as my company supplies materials to many manufacturers in the south. Some of the best lunches we have are by going to places run by immigrants from Vietnam Thailand and Philippines. Those people sure do know how to do good food and several of the businesses I do business with have migrant workers.

[asian boy]

Taiwan did in effect have open immigration for low skilled workers during the last 15 years. ?

Really? Thats seems to conflict with our families business of wanting to get low skilled workers from overseas. There was certainly no opn immigration at all and your statement if in fact wrong. Yes there were schemes for domestic workers and factory and construction workers but it was never an open program as you suggest.

There were temporary visa schemes for workers but never open immigration.

[Omniloquacious]

Taiwan did in effect have open immigration for low skilled workers during the last 15 years. ?

Really? Thats seems to conflict with our families business of wanting to get low skilled workers from overseas. There was certainly no opn immigration at all and your statement if in fact wrong. Yes there were schemes for domestic workers and factory and construction workers but it was never an open program as you suggest.

There were temporary visa schemes for workers but never open immigration.

MM is referring to the import of foreign brides purchased from poor villages in Vietnam, China and elsewhere. They are usually unskilled and often barely literate. They bring their wombs here to do the work of making babies for Taiwanese families, and their hands here to do the skivvying for the families who bought them. If their husbands put them to work earning money, as many do and need to, it's almost always in unskilled jobs like cleaning or factory work, or in serving up that food you so enjoy, or sometimes in the sex trade.

[asian boy]

Taiwan did in effect have open immigration for low skilled workers during the last 15 years. ?

Really? Thats seems to conflict with our families business of wanting to get low skilled workers from overseas. There was certainly no opn immigration at all and your statement if in fact wrong. Yes there were schemes for domestic workers and factory and construction workers but it was never an open program as you suggest.

There were temporary visa schemes for workers but never open immigration.

MM is referring to the import of foreign brides purchased from poor villages in Vietnam, China and elsewhere. They are usually unskilled and often barely literate. They bring their wombs here to do the work of making babies for Taiwanese families, and their hands here to do the skivvying for the families who bought them. If their husbands put them work earning money, as many do and need to, it's almost always in unskilled jobs like cleaning or factory work, or in serving up that food you so enjoy, or sometimes in the sex trade.

So Taiwanese should go and get brides from overseas just as do people from the UK USA Europe who often get brides from Vietnam thailand Philippines etc?

And who is to say these brides were "purchased" I have an American friend who met his wife on an Asian sating service and they have now been happily married for over 20 years and have 3 lovelly kids. She was from Borneo and didnt have high education either. It's rather fortunate that many Taiwanese went abroad and brought back some foreign imported brides. I know I did. Should woman not work as well if the needs of the family require it?

Did not your mothers womb bring you into this world? What was the price your father put on that?

[trubadour]

The problem with immigration, that cause of it and the cause of the troubles surrounding it is poverty.

If people were not in such poverty they would not move to other countries in large numbers. If people were not so uncertain about their homes, incomes and the economy they wouldn't be so upset about immigration.

Laws that seek to check immigration always seek to deal with the effects rather than the cause of the problem.

If we want to understand and help people live in peace in the countries they choose we need to fix the problem of income disparity.

[headhonchoII]

Taiwan did in effect have open immigration for low skilled workers during the last 15 years. ?

Really? Thats seems to conflict with our families business of wanting to get low skilled workers from overseas. There was certainly no opn immigration at all and your statement if in fact wrong. Yes there were schemes for domestic workers and factory and construction workers but it was never an open program as you suggest.

There were temporary visa schemes for workers but never open immigration.

MM is referring to the import of foreign brides purchased from poor villages in Vietnam, China and elsewhere. They are usually unskilled and often barely literate. They bring their wombs here to do the work of making babies for Taiwanese families, and their hands here to do the skivvying for the families who bought them. If their husbands put them to work earning money, as many do and need to, it's almost always in unskilled jobs like cleaning or factory work, or in serving up that food you so enjoy, or sometimes in the sex trade.

Rather than go off on a tangent , the point is that Taiwan already has very large scale immigration of foreign wives, which you didn't mention in your statement when you said Taiwan should not have an open immigration system and should allow a certain type of immigrant only. Many of the dying towns and villages of rural Taiwan seem to be populated by these old people and these largely unrecognized but hard working immigrants who usually have to look after their husbands family aswell as make money for their own life and kids. The towns would probably fall apart without these women. And do they do cook up some excellent food, especially the Vietnamese!

The scale of immigration of foreign wives to Taiwan is massive, must be 10x that of the west, also the women do not have as many rights as immigrants to the West.

[Taiwan Luthiers]

The problem with immigration, that cause of it and the cause of the troubles surrounding it is poverty.

If people were not in such poverty they would not move to other countries in large numbers. If people were not so uncertain about their homes, incomes and the economy they wouldn't be so upset about immigration.

Laws that seek to check immigration always seek to deal with the effects rather than the cause of the problem.

If we want to understand and help people live in peace in the countries they choose we need to fix the problem of income disparity.

Poverty can be caused by many things, even lazieness. However poverty despite working very hard is a big problem and that is what we see with many poor countries. Thing is that is usually caused by greed and people who make rules often makes sure they stay in power and the poor stays poor.

[Omniloquacious]

And who is to say these brides were "purchased" I have an American friend who met his wife on an Asian sating service and they have now been happily married for over 20 years and have 3 lovelly kids. She was from Borneo and didnt have high education either. It's rather fortunate that many Taiwanese went abroad and brought back some foreign imported brides.

Oh well, if your friend didn’t buy his wife from Borneo, then it can’t possibly be true that other Taiwanese men are buying brides from other Southeast Asian countries. It stands to reason, doesn’t it! How silly of me to be misled otherwise.

All those advertisements we see for the sale of such brides, and all the reports we read about Taiwanese men being flown to Hanoi, Kunming or wherever to choose from a lineup of several dozen young country girls, must all be figments of the imagination.

I’m deeply sorry for in any way implying that all marriages of Taiwanese men to imported brides are not genuine love matches, contracted after the husband took the bold initiative of flying overseas to seek out, court and propose to a suitable partner. And of course there can’t be any question of money having changed hands in connection with the acquisition of any of those wives!