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Nazi paraphernalia on sale at Banqiao station?

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Re: Nazi paraphernalia on sale at Banqiao station?

Postby Rocket » 09 Nov 2015, 11:04

hansioux wrote:Has anyone been to The Eagle's Nest (Kehlsteinhaus) on Obersalzberg? Have one friend saying why should we make such a big deal about it, they sell NAZI themed souvenirs at the Eagle's Nest as well.

Is that true?

If so, is it ok to sell NAZI themed souvenirs just because it's a place historically tied to the NAZI party?

If they can sell NAZI themed souvenirs at the Eagle's Nest based on historical reasons, all souvenir shops in Nuremberg probably should be able to sell them too?


I doubt it.
It's illegal to sell, display, or own any openly Nazi paraphernalia in Germany, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a
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Re: Nazi paraphernalia on sale at Banqiao station?

Postby Tempo Gain » 09 Nov 2015, 13:33

You can see their gift shop at left.

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I dunno, I doubt they have motorcycle helmets that say "SS ROAD WARRIER" or anything like that.

I'd draw a distinction between historical memorabilia and kitsch.

The place upstairs in the Wannian dept. store is worth mentioning here. If I'm remembering right, they have a lot of military uniforms and other military items on display. Some of them are Nazi-era. I've come across such items in the States as well. The mentality of the people involved in this trade might be questionable, but history is history.

Might the Eagle's Nest have some books or pictures for sale with swastikas on display? Possible, but it's a historical attraction.

What I find offensive is the use of such symbols for commercial reasons. I don't buy the ignorance angle personally.
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Re: Nazi paraphernalia on sale at Banqiao station?

Postby Rocket » 09 Nov 2015, 13:50

Tempo Gain wrote:You can see their gift shop at left.

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I dunno, I doubt they have motorcycle helmets that say "SS ROAD WARRIER" or anything like that.

I'd draw a distinction between historical memorabilia and kitsch.

The place upstairs in the Wannian dept. store is worth mentioning here. If I'm remembering right, they have a lot of military uniforms and other military items on display. Some of them are Nazi-era. I've come across such items in the States as well. The mentality of the people involved in this trade might be questionable, but history is history.

Might the Eagle's Nest have some books or pictures for sale with swastikas on display? Possible, but it's a historical attraction.

What I find offensive is the use of such symbols for commercial reasons. I don't buy the ignorance angle personally.


Sorry, it's expressly illegal to put a swastika, or the lightning-bolt SS insignia (the one guys from KISS hijacked) on anything in Germany. Anything.

http://www.wisegeek.com/is-it-really-illegal-to-display-the-swastika-symbol-in-germany.htm

And Nazi memorabilia is illegal.
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Re: Nazi paraphernalia on sale at Banqiao station?

Postby Tempo Gain » 09 Nov 2015, 14:17

No need to apologize. The law linked doesn't necessarily seem to cover what I mentioned however. In particular it states:

(3) Subsection (1) shall not be applicable if the means of propaganda or the act serves to further civil enlightenment, to avert unconstitutional aims, to promote art or science, research or teaching, reporting about current historical events or similar purposes. […]


This seems to leave space for historical books or pictures. The wiki article shows a picture of a historical fighter plane in a museum with a swastika shown. Perhaps they wouldn't sell such items there--they seem to take some precautions about neo-Nazi activities there from what I just read (tour groups aren't allowed to use their own tour guides.)
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Re: Nazi paraphernalia on sale at Banqiao station?

Postby Rocket » 09 Nov 2015, 14:30

Tempo Gain wrote:No need to apologize. The law linked doesn't necessarily seem to cover what I mentioned however. In particular it states:

(3) Subsection (1) shall not be applicable if the means of propaganda or the act serves to further civil enlightenment, to avert unconstitutional aims, to promote art or science, research or teaching, reporting about current historical events or similar purposes. […]


This seems to leave space for historical books or pictures. The wiki article shows a picture of a historical fighter plane in a museum with a swastika shown. Perhaps they wouldn't sell such items there--they seem to take some precautions about neo-Nazi activities there from what I just read (tour groups aren't allowed to use their own tour guides.)


Yeah, I get your point.
I think I may have read about some filmmakers having to digitize symbols out in their stuff, but they surely can't just disappear everything, Stalin-style, from the permanent visual record, can they?

Mostly I'd gotten the impression that a lot of their intent was to curtail the iconography supporting neo-Nazi efforts.
Like eBay Chermany will delete any items bearing the symbols, and I've seen replica maker dudes, like the ones who supply re-enactors, say on their sites that some items can't ship to Germany, or that if it is to be sent to Germany, that the symbols will be removed before shipping.

Like this (super cool) exact Kriegsmarine U Boat captain's replica cap:

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If they ship it to Chermany, they'll take the top eagle part of the insignia off first.
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