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Re: Smoking outside restaurants

Postby tommy525 » 02 Nov 2015, 22:27

Wasn't all that long ago restaurants and bars allowed smoking INSIDE their premises. Taiwan has come a long ways in moving smoking OUTSIDE. But yes, they should not be within some distance of the entrance where the smoke can wafer in.

Just a few years ago our apt complex in the bay area allowed smoking inside homes. NOw by Calif law they have to smoke in the parking lot. So now neighbors get to know each other more easily. At least you get to meet all the smokers.

IT will be a long time yet before smoking becomes UNcool in Asia.
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Re: Smoking outside restaurants

Postby jimipresley » 02 Nov 2015, 22:31

You can't smoke in your own home? That's pretty fuckin' draconian. :2cents:

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Re: Smoking outside restaurants

Postby Robotea » 02 Nov 2015, 22:37

It's a forum, calm down peeps! I'm still not use to being in a club/bar/ktv or any indoor area and having people smoke. The smoke does bother me, but either you deal with it or you go do something else.

OP, even if there is a law on this, no one, not the restaurant staff, not the customers, not the police will enforce this law. Enforcement in TW is a joke because confrontation or hassle is like plague. I'm sorry you had a bad experience at that restaurant with your family, but there are plenty of other places better than Fridays. Or go to a Friday's at another location.

btw, anyone see the news today where a mom and her two kids are in a restaurant - the kids are jumping around and the mom actually let the kid piss in a cup and had the balls to ask the waitress to throw away the piss cup for her? I doubt she was mainlander, but I could be wrong.
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Re: Smoking outside restaurants

Postby afterspivak » 02 Nov 2015, 22:56

If that woman were able to emigrate to Canada, she--or her son--could consider running for elected office as a member of the Conservative Party. :lol:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/07/canada-conservative-party-urination-video-candidate

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Re: Smoking outside restaurants

Postby Tempo Gain » 02 Nov 2015, 23:09

I made a few edits. Thanks for keeping it civil.
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Re: Smoking outside restaurants

Postby headhonchoII » 02 Nov 2015, 23:29

Taiwan society can change pretty quickly, for instance I get the feeling that noise is a LOT less tolerated these days. We are told to keep it down after 10 pm.
Now we have signs in our elevator asking residents not to smoke in the bathrooms or balconies as the smoke and smell can get into other people's houses. Dead right. :cactus: I don't pay my maintenance fee to live with common smokers. :popcorn:
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Re: Smoking outside restaurants

Postby tommy525 » 03 Nov 2015, 07:54

jimipresley wrote:You can't smoke in your own home? That's pretty fuckin' draconian. :2cents:

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I think one can still smoke in one's own house. But smoking in apartments or condos complexes are not allowed for renters. I don't know about apartments or condos that one owns though.

I imagine this would call into question whether one is allowed to smoke in "smoking" rooms at hotels?
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Re: Smoking outside restaurants

Postby sewersquid » 03 Nov 2015, 08:39

Theoretically you can't smoke anywhere inside an apartment complex. (or a building occupied by others)
You could only smoke in a designated place or in an open area.
If you (foreigner) are the offender, this regulated will be implemented immediately, and anybody could report you to the super/admin/security officer.
The actual application, could be tricky though if the offender is local and you (foreigner) are the one that want to report him/her.

Had an experience with a fellow renter in a shared apartment with shared bathroom smoke practically anywhere, including his own room, living room and the bathroom, no one could say anything.
(the landlord also a smoker, but she doesn't visit often, so really no biggie, but this guy -we call him Steve for convenience- really bugs everyone off -including some locals-)
I try to report it to the security officer who initially insist that no one shall be allowed to smoke anywhere, when I ask, whether I could smoke inside the room.
The tone changes immediately as soon as I mention, that Steve is smoking inside the room.
She immediately responds that there's nothing she could do, as it was inside our own apartment.

The premise here, you should not be the one who make a stance. If possible, ask a local for help.

tommy525 wrote:Wasn't all that long ago restaurants and bars allowed smoking INSIDE their premises. Taiwan has come a long ways in moving smoking OUTSIDE. But yes, they should not be within some distance of the entrance where the smoke can wafer in.

Just a few years ago our apt complex in the bay area allowed smoking inside homes. NOw by Calif law they have to smoke in the parking lot. So now neighbors get to know each other more easily. At least you get to meet all the smokers.

IT will be a long time yet before smoking becomes UNcool in Asia.


In many places in Asia (including Taiwan or even Japan sadly), smoking still kinda cool. So it's gonna be a long bumpy ride for Asian countries to catch that train.
Maybe skips our generation to get that message embedded in the society.
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Re: Smoking outside restaurants

Postby shifty » 03 Nov 2015, 09:09

You're eating at Fridays and complaining about the air quality? You're eating at FRIDAYS>>>>
Anything you say after that statement regarding quality anything is completely negated by the fact that you are eating at FRIDAYS
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Re: Smoking outside restaurants

Postby 41783 » 03 Nov 2015, 09:45

afterspivak wrote:A few years ago, I stepped into a branch of a popular burger place in the Shi-Da area (let's call it "Evan's Burgers"). I arrived for an early lunch, and the place was almost empty, except for a couple seated at the bar. I indicated to the staff I was eating alone. Without a moment's hesitation, the staff directed me to sit at the bar immediately next to the only two customers in the otherwise empty shop. I pulled back and asked if further down the bar would be OK? For me it was bizarre and uncomfortable to be seated like this, lined up in a row, in an empty shop. No, the staff insisted that I sit immediately next to the other patrons.


Apologies in advance for a paragraph of off-topic observation. This is a very interesting (obviously from my POV) cultural phenomenon. Countless times I have seen restaurants with only one table occupied and people will come in and occupy the table right next to them -- with or without direction from the restaurant staff -- even though there are 20 or more empty tables. Another is car placement on narrow roads: we lived near a large alley about 200m long, wide enough for two cars, with red lines on both sides of the road. Some car would park (temporarily) on the side of the road. No problem for traffic, except some other person would come and park their car (temporarily) EXACTLY OPPOSITE THE FIRST PARKED CAR. They had at least 50m on either direction of the first parked car in which to park, but they chose that one spot.

The solution for "afterspivak" is to smile, say "Xie Xie" and sit where you want.

Back on topic: the law as I understand it says smoking is allowed in bars/pubs/non-food establishments which open after 21:00 and don't serve food. For other establishments I don't feel it's the restaurant staff's job to go outside the place and tell people where to smoke. However, I would have no qualms asking the smokers to move away from the doors, but if they choose not to, that would be my problem. Mothers protecting their children are fairly useful confronting smokers in this situation.

Views on smoking are certainly changing in both east and west. I have a 25-year old English book ("Points of Departure") which features drawings of some typical American scenes, each with about 40 vocabulary words and some questions designed to generate discussion. The scene for "The Table" -- showing a table set formally -- includes a fully-stocked sterling silver cigarette tray, ashtray and lighter.
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