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afterspivak wrote:Most Taiwanese I talk to are genuinely shocked to learn I cannot vote. I don't think most people out there are trying to keep us down and disenfranchised.
sewersquid wrote:OP needs to understand the concept of how a country becomes a nation-state.
Countries like Germany, France and UK have different concept of nationalism with countries like USA, Australia or Canada.
Not to mention compared with countries like Taiwan (ROC, officially) or Japan.
In USA, Australia, Switzerland, New Zealand or Canada (an Asian parallel would be Singapore and Indonesia), since the beginning (at least after the WWII), becoming a citizen is matter where you were born (at the most important). In nationality law, it's called ius soli. You are where you were born. If you were born there or if you naturalized, you're officially equal. The common theme here is the nation formed from multiculturalism/immigration/fusion of different kind of people.
In Germany, France and UK, recently (after the Cold War ended), they start changing from blood-right to birth-right.
In countries like Japan, China, Taiwan (ROC), both Koreas or even Malaysia (European parallel would be Russia), the nationality law using the concept of blood-right. You are where your ancestors come from. It's called ius sanguinis. Naturalization doesn't mean necessarily mean you're equal. The common theme here is the nation formed from people from same race.
The concept of ROC nation-state is (Chinese) nationalism, like it or not, that's the way it is. Unless there's an amendment in the constitution, it will stay that way.
Mucha Man wrote:Anyway, Tsai has stated many times that citizenship should not be based on race so the future doesn't look good for race based nationalism.
Alias1983 wrote:The only thing that xould possibly justify spouses from China being able to vote in Taiwan without being ROC citizens would be that they come from a geographical territory which the ROC constitution claims sovereignty over. But if that's the case, that should involve Mongolia and other non PRC territories the ROC constitution claims sovereignty over.
Then again, I'm surprised to learn you don't need to be an ROC citizen to vote in Taiwan. Just married for 4 years and an ID card.
Taipei, Nov. 17 (CNA) The Ministry of Education (MOE) is seeking a solution that will allow children born to Chinese spouses of Taiwanese nationals from their previous marriage to non-Taiwanese to stay in Taiwan until they finish their university education here, instead of the age of 20, an MOE official said Tuesday.
"It is out of humanitarian considerations" that the ministry are seeking ways to free such foreigners from having to suspend their university studies in Taiwan and leave the country once they turn 20, if they do not obtain residency, said Lu Chih-min (劉智敏), a senior executive officer at the MOE's Department of International and Cross-Strait Education.
He was responding to a protest by new immigrants at the MOE earlier in the day, who called for the relaxation of the relevant regulations.
Under the Act Governing Relations between the People of the Taiwan Area and the Mainland Area, the children of mainland Chinese spouses from their previous marriage to a non-Taiwanese national can stay or reside in Taiwan until they are 20 years old on a family reunion visa, according to Liu.
However, if such persons fail to obtain residency before they turn 20 and they are in the middle of a university education in Taiwan, they will have to quit their studies and leave the country.
To help such students solve this predicament, most universities would allow them to apply for a temporary suspension of schooling, and then let them come back to finish their studies after they acquire residency, Liu said.
While the immigration authorities insist the age limit must be maintained, the MOE is brainstorming on a way that will allow this special group of students to finish their university education in Taiwan without disruption, he said.
Liu estimated there are now less than 1,000 Chinese teenagers in Taiwan who may encounter this problem in the near future.
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