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Some 31.4 percent of elementary and junior high school students in Taiwan have been hit by family members,

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Re: Some 31.4 percent of elementary and junior high school students in Taiwan have been hit by family members,

Postby Abacus » 22 Nov 2015, 23:50

I'm guessing (hoping) that it includes forms of spanking and the use of belts, sticks and other objects for punishment. I would not be surprised if there were still many (like 31%) that used physical punishment. It is still pretty common in the US although people will say that it isn't. For example Adrian Peterson (All Pro NFL running back) basically used a sapling tree to whip one of his kids that misbehaved. It caused a huge uproar but there were a lot of southerners that said that it still happens and some said they did it.

My mother tried the wooden spoon punishment when we were very young (maybe 3-6). We learned that no matter how bad it hurt the secret was to never show pain or cry. My mother gave up when she broke a spoon and didn't get any reaction.

The only time that I have really suspected abuse was 4-5 yrs ago when I started at a new buxiban. One of the students would literally duck and cover if I did something like a lion roar and raise my arms anywhere near him. He didn't stay there long and I don't know what happened to him. I know some students have alluded to physical punishments if they are bad but I haven't suspected that the parents are just wailing on the kids (except in the one case).
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Re: Some 31.4 percent of elementary and junior high school students in Taiwan have been hit by family members,

Postby Icon » 23 Nov 2015, 10:28

When I hear neighbors fight here, it is because they start throwing stuff around/the kids wail. It would be the kind of stuff that would have the cops at your door where I come from. Here... rarely if ever. I remember a very tough fight between the couple at the veggie market stall; he threw boxes and broke stuff all around, pretty scary. In the ol country it would have escalated into him -or her- bringing out a gun and pum pum. I was really afraid he would strike her either with his fists or a box, but before I could call the cops he stopped. Everyone just walked by, not even hurriedly. The family across the street has been visited so many times by cops it makes no sense they still keep the kids.. the ones they haven't pushed out that is, by hitting and abusing them. The mom is known to scold them for hours -and I mean this literally- at top volume. Two have run away already. She'd be in jail in the ol country.

If a country is measure d by the way it treats its most vulnerable, then Taiwan has a lot to improve since both children and strays are helpless and adrift from law's protection.
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Re: Some 31.4 percent of elementary and junior high school students in Taiwan have been hit by family members,

Postby headhonchoII » 23 Nov 2015, 10:51

The worst are the murder suicides, a few horrific cases this year again, was not really covered in the English media (which is fairly standard). The only cases I found initially were in the Philippines and Shanghai in the English press.
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Re: Some 31.4 percent of elementary and junior high school students in Taiwan have been hit by family members,

Postby lostinasia » 23 Nov 2015, 11:19

Chris wrote:What does "hit" include? An open-handed swat on a clothed behind (spanking), or more serious stuff like closed-fist hits, or beatings with some kind of object (sticks, belts, etc.)?

Indeed. Quoting from the article linked in the OP:
A high percentage of Taiwan's children have been verbally or physically abused at home or at school, a charity group said, urging parents and schools to create a loving and caring environment for the nation's children.

Some 31.4 percent of elementary and junior high school students in Taiwan have been hit by family members, and 25 percent have experienced verbal abuse in the forms of intimidation, insults, or ridicule, the Child Welfare League Foundation (CWLF) said, citing a survey it conducted recently.

Unfortunately the data as presented here are largely useless. I was hit a couple of times by my parents, either spanked on my rear end or slapped on the hand, always when I was about to do or had just done something dangerous (reaching for a hot kettle, for example). So yes, I was hit by my mother - but definitely not abused. As for experiencing ridicule from family members ... well, I guess there may be a few only-children out there who have never experienced ridicule, but surely all siblings have at some point ridiculed each other?

I don't want to downplay the problem - it's undoubtedly serious. But I hope the source material is better than what's quoted, because if the survey counts a yes to "Have you ever been hit by a family member?" or "Have you ever been intimidated, insulted, or ridiculed by a family member?" as abuse, then the survey results are going to be very distorted.
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Re: Some 31.4 percent of elementary and junior high school students in Taiwan have been hit by family members,

Postby Icon » 23 Nov 2015, 11:43

headhonchoII wrote:The worst are the murder suicides, a few horrific cases this year again, was not really covered in the English media (which is fairly standard). The only cases I found initially were in the Philippines and Shanghai in the English press.


Indeed, way too many, plus sexual abuse/incest has made the front page too many times this year...
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