Camp-in Protest against Beach Hotel in Taidong

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Re: Camp-in Protest against Beach Hotel in Taidong

Postby dulan drift » 24 Jan 2012, 01:35

Mr He wrote:The sheets are literally on the beds, if it's abandoned as it was for a couple of years, then it will be an eye sore on the beach, if not, you can at least stay in it.

Whether it's abandoned or not, it will be an eye-sore - the only difference is that you won't have to pay for the eyesore when you go to the beach. But the goal remains to have it demolished. There are some pretty smart lawyers working the case for the protesters and they will be pushing for the company to have it demolished. After all, they did totally flout the law in the building of it in the first place.

The second important point about it not going ahead is the knock-on effect. Several mega-development companies, with projects already on the drawing board, were watching that case and they'll all be having second thoughts about going ahead with their projects now.
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Re: Camp-in Protest against Beach Hotel in Taidong

Postby saddletramp » 17 Mar 2012, 21:32

Any update on this?
Heard that the court shut it down again. The court wants them to actually demolish it.

If this is true, good on you guys for protecting a rare nice swimming beach.
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Re: Camp-in Protest against Beach Hotel in Taidong

Postby dulan drift » 19 Mar 2012, 00:10

saddletramp wrote:Any update on this?
Heard that the court shut it down again. The court wants them to actually demolish it.

If this is true, good on you guys for protecting a rare nice swimming beach.


Thanks Saddletramp. There was another court case, also in Kaohsiung, regarding the license they'd been granted by the Taidong local govt, which the hotel also lost. That's on top of the one that declared their Environmental Impact Statement invalid because they were found to have stacked the board. But I don't know if they also ordered the Miramar Hotel group to demolish it. That would be great. I'll check that out - my Chinese comprehension has been known to either miss or mix up some key bits of information in a message.

Fortunately for us, the movement has attracted several very bright lawyers to the cause (working free of charge), and they've taken, what was always a pretty arguable case, and done a brilliant job of advocating it against some seriously heavyweight opposition. The glare of publicity generated has meanwhile allowed the judges to reach a transparent decision.

The main things to be decided now are the liability of the Taidong government (i.e. the taxpayers) with regard to the company's losses, and the actual demoliton and restoration work.

The hotel is arguing that the Taidong council has to pick up the tab on the grounds that they'd signed a contract with them, however, as evidenced by their submission of the original phoney building plan (whereby they seriously misrepresented the size of the construction in order to avoid having to do an Impact Statement) they were clearly fully aware from the get go that what they were planning to do was illegal - contract or not. As such, it would seem that they need to bear the bulk of the financial responsibility for that decision on the 'do the crime, pay the fine' principle.

Same goes for the demolition.

The demolition doesn't seem to be as big a deal as some people make it out to be. Quite a lot of the fittings and building materials would be salvageable, then it's a matter of a controlled implosion (be selling tickets to that one), and then you bring in your bulldozers and whatnot and start carting it off in a continuous convoy of gravel trucks. And that's something that we know can be done very well and efficiently in Taiwan - I daresay the whole demolition and removal operation could be completed in 2 months.

The restoration would take longer, and should be govt money and community input, but the sooner it starts the better.

The nice thing is, this has been a landmark case on a tide of changing public awareness, and as such it presents a great opportunity to think about the future and take a look at how that beach should be managed as well as work towards a model of protection for Taiwan's other natural treasures.

And continue work on the development of a model for the management of other natural treasures in Taiwan.

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Re: Camp-in Protest against Beach Hotel in Taidong

Postby saddletramp » 19 Mar 2012, 00:51

And continue work on the development of a model for the management of other natural treasures in Taiwan.


This!

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Re: Camp-in Protest against Beach Hotel in Taidong

Postby dulan drift » 25 Apr 2012, 21:54

saddletramp wrote:Any update on this?
Heard that the court shut it down again. The court wants them to actually demolish it.


Ok, i checked that out and so far the court has only ruled that they need to stop work on the place and they can't open - nothing about them demolishing it. That's a battle that remains to be fought. And obviously a very important one - so long as it is still there they will be looking at ways to get it open.

Meanwhile, there's another protest going on just between Cheng Gong and San Sian Tai at a harbour called Ji Hwei Gang. The plan there is to build a mega Ocean Park (not your National Marine Park type) and hotel. There was a concert at the site to raise awareness last Sunday. This protest has local residens and the surfing community its core because the bay, apart from being a safe harbour for local fisherman, is a prime surfing spot.


In this case, part of the land (for the ocean park) has been accumulated privately over the years, while the land for the hotel will be leased from the govt.
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Re: Camp-in Protest against Beach Hotel in Taidong

Postby dulan drift » 31 May 2012, 23:12

There have been a few major developments on the Mirimar hotel at Shan Yuan beach.

Last Sunday, a meeting was held to discuss the status of the situation. Out of that it was decided to commemorate the camp-in initative that gave the movement a timely shot in the arm last year and turn that into an annual event. The camp will run for a week (or was it 3 day?) and culminate in a kick-arse concert on the beach on July 28. The feeling was that this Miramar Monstrosity had become a landmark case for the environmental movement in Taiwan, a groundswell case. And through the two recent court case decisions, some Taiwan history had been written. Making the camp an annual event was seen as a way to celebrate and build on that historical momentum.

A few other points were:

The movement's goal: Tear it down. As long as it's standing they'll be cooking up ways for it to open. Their whole stategy from the very beginning was to just flagrantly flout all the development laws, in cahoots with the Taidong Council, and go ahead and build it. And then later say, oh yeah, we're sorry about that, but hey, it's already built now! Just let us open it up this once and we promise we won't do it again (muffled lol).


To be replaced with?: A clean, public park with change-rooms and showers and low-rise development including a thriving array of guest houses, restaurants, cafes, dive shops. In other words, pretty much exactly the way it was before. In fact, if you go a bit further back, it was a marina for yachts. You don't see many yachts in Taiwan but an old picture of the bay from 30 odd years ago shows several of them moored there. It looked great.

The hotel ruins: Someone had the left-field idea of plonking the hotel into the ocean and letting it become a reef as well a memorial. It was thought that it would be good to consult a few marine experts before a decision was made on that one.

Slogan for Camp-in Concert activity: Despite the high court clearly ruling that the building was illegal from the get-go, the hotel, although not continuing with any building activity, is still staffing it and maintaining it. And they have a sign up which says, 'Are you open?' 'No, not yet.' As such it was decided that the movement's slogan should be:
'Ho, has it been torn down?' 'No, not yet.'

Key Argument to be Reinforced: It's illegal. The end.
Everyone's awfully bu hao yi se to interfere with your brazen greed and environmental destruction, but the high court has gone and ruled you illegal. sorry, it's over, let it go. A running joke was made at the meeting because of my crappy chinese as people tend to finish sentences with 'ni ting de dong ma?' when talking to me. Then they started doing it to each other in arguments for a cheap laugh as well, and finally someone came up with an alternative slogan: 'You're illegal. Ni ting de dong ma?' Was decided that this could well have been one of those things sounds better at the time, and it was moved to check it again next meeting.


That was a couple of days ago, but then today, the news wasn't so jolly, though not at all surprising, actually, but still astounding at the same time. The Taidong Council has decided to 'over-rule' the supreme court and declare their decision regarding the environmental impact statement 'invalid'. In the high court ruling, where it was found that the EIS panel had been blatantly stacked with political cronies, it was stipulated that (a) the assessment that had been done was invalid, and (b) in order to apply for a new EIS they would need to demolish the building, return the land to its original condition, then reapply.

It's this ('b) part' that the council has 'over-ruled' and have declared that they are going ahead, and in fact rushing through, a new all-improved EIS. 'And this time we'll get them to declare that the entire east coast habitat will be greatly enhanced from an open concrete slathering while we're at it.'

As such, there's a protest rally on at the Taidong Council building this Sat, June 2, at 12.30pm. Extra bods are always good, as is information spreading, especially through media channels. This is a bold show of defiance against the rule of law in Taiwan by the Taidong Council and the Miramar Hotel Group that will have serious consequences for the oasis of undeveloped natural beauty that currently exists on the east coast.


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Re: Camp-in Protest against Beach Hotel in Taidong

Postby tango42 » 01 Jun 2012, 01:11

Wish I could get down there with some friends to support.
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Re: Camp-in Protest against Beach Hotel in Taidong

Postby Nuit » 01 Jun 2012, 08:08

dulan drift wrote:The Taidong Council has decided to 'over-rule' the supreme court and declare their decision regarding the environmental impact statement 'invalid'.


Even in the sometimes crazy world of Taiwan, how does a local council get to over-ride a supreme court judgement and make it stick?
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Re: Camp-in Protest against Beach Hotel in Taidong

Postby dulan drift » 01 Jun 2012, 10:07

Nuit wrote:Even in the sometimes crazy world of Taiwan, how does a local council get to over-ride a supreme court judgement and make it stick?


Yeah, i dunno, but we're still working on the 'make it stick' part.
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Re: Camp-in Protest against Beach Hotel in Taidong

Postby Nuit » 01 Jun 2012, 11:02

Keep working brother. Can't make Sat, but if the July 28 party goes ahead, we'll come down for that.
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