''Taiwan girls are easy''

[bismarck]

Some of those late 30s women are there by choice. Some Taiwanese women have their standards and aren't willing to budge and are looking to marry up. Maybe statistically there just aren't enough eligible men to meet the standards of all of those women.

But yes, there is a large pool of eligible 30 something women in Taiwan that is not being tapped, literally.

That's very true. But a large portion of these women also have unrealistic standards. It's good to have your standards, and some of us (men and women) settle too easily. But some of these women are really just unrealistic.

[bismarck]

I've moved this thread to here for now. I think it's salvageable but awaiting confirmation from higher up. Post away, but stick to the rules. Please don't get silly just because it's in Fun & Games for now. Silly posts will be temped. Stay within the realm of the thread topic. I don't want any crap about perceived racism et al or easy girls you banged in here. Thanks.

[ceevee369]

What would be an example of unrealistic ? Asking to give up 80% of earnings as the local Laopo presumes being a better bank then us? Anticipating an LV bag each quarter? Or maybe what I heard many times from my local colleagues : Receiving all the time, affection, praise, recognition beyond the point not having some own private time angling out with the lads ( from work for example)

TW girls are as easy or difficult as the ones at home.
Can't generalize a statement like this unless you're a wealthy Brad Pit a-like with " available " printed on your forehead.

[bismarck]

Tried to find the original video somewhere else, to no avail. Got these two though. Interesting.

Click on the "cc" icon for English subs.

[headhonchoII]

Some of it is high standards but I think it is mostly because marriage here can be such a pain in the ass for women. Not only do they have to look after the husband and kids but often live with the MIL and FIL and deal with them too! Too many expectations from all sides.
There is a surfeit of eligible women here so the guys don't bother with women with baggage, in the main.
But it must be said the power does start switching to the male after around 30 in the West too, so I have heard from friends anyway, biological clock and all that.

[bumclouds]

I could only watch the beginning of that... before cringing and turning it off.

"..and I enjoyed so much Taiwan that I kept coming back". Who let THAT guy become and English teacher?

[bismarck]

Some of it is high standards but I think it is mostly because marriage here can be such a pain in the ass for women. Not only do they have to look after the husband and kids but often live with the MIL and FIL and deal with them too! Too many expectations from all sides.
There is a surfeit of eligible women here so the guys don't bother with women with baggage, in the main.
But it must be said the power does start switching to the male after around 30 in the West too, so I have heard from friends anyway, biological clock and all that.

Yeah, it may be a cultural thing, but I can't understand how so many accomplished, beautiful and intelligent women in Taiwan could resign themselves to that fate. Either way, it's got to be pretty damned hard. Then again, no marriage anywhere is easy.

I could only watch the beginning of that... before cringing and turning it off.

"..and I enjoyed so much Taiwan that I kept coming back". Who let THAT guy become and English teacher?

I found it somewhat cringeworthy, too. But there were also some interesting spots. It was interesting to hear what some women had to say about this. The bloke (second video) has some interesting views too, but one of my female friends on facebook said this: 他比較中立;台灣其實並非那麼開放 (Something akin to: He's very neutral; Taiwan isn't really that open.). She may have a point.

[bumclouds]

I could only watch the beginning of that... before cringing and turning it off.

"..and I enjoyed so much Taiwan that I kept coming back". Who let THAT guy become and English teacher?

*an.

Whooooops.

[Teddoman]

What would be an example of unrealistic ? Asking to give up 80% of earnings as the local Laopo presumes being a better bank then us? Anticipating an LV bag each quarter? Or maybe what I heard many times from my local colleagues : Receiving all the time, affection, praise, recognition beyond the point not having some own private time angling out with the lads ( from work for example)

TW girls are as easy or difficult as the ones at home.
Can't generalize a statement like this unless you're a wealthy Brad Pit a-like with " available " printed on your forehead.

I agree there's a wide range in any country, that goes without saying. And that means there are unrealistic girls in any country. In fact, not long ago I read an article in the NYT by a late 30s woman basically expressing her regrets at her own unrealism as she turned away many decent (but not perfect) men, and now she sees her friends married to these decent guys who are turning out to be great fathers, and they are living out the life she wished she had. I think this woman ended up going the in vitro route and is a single mom, which I can imagine is super super tough and I feel bad for her.

I think realism in dating is a product of accurate self-knowledge or feedback. Some people just know. Or maybe some women follow the "rules" and wait to be pursued. Waiting to be pursued automatically lets you know what your demand is. If everyone who is interested in you is a 5 or below, then that gives you a good sense for the demand for you.

If you are a guy and you're a 3, and you try to date 10s, you will get turned down a lot. And the more feedback you get, the more you realize you're not a 10. Eventually you realize where your "market" is and that's what you target.

Some people just ignore these market signals. Either they believe the market is inaccurate, or they are willing to wait out the market and find that rare person who gives them a higher value, or their asking price is simply higher than the market will bear. It's impossible to know if they were right or the market is right, but ultimately it's their own happiness at stake. We all bear responsibility for our own decisions. (Sorry to use this market analogy in matters of love but it seems pretty apt.)

Whether Taiwanese women don't know where their market is more than Western women, I don't know. But there sure are a lot of 30s single Taiwanese women, and no shortage of men wanting to date them.

Some of it is high standards but I think it is mostly because marriage here can be such a pain in the ass for women. Not only do they have to look after the husband and kids but often live with the MIL and FIL and deal with them too! Too many expectations from all sides.
There is a surfeit of eligible women here so the guys don't bother with women with baggage, in the main.
But it must be said the power does start switching to the male after around 30 in the West too, so I have heard from friends anyway, biological clock and all that.

In the US, I seem to know a lot of 30s women who really want a traditional family. In urban metro areas, there are a lot of families now, so you see it everywhere. Strollers are all over the cities. That probably influences people's unconscious desires too. No idea about Taiwanese girls today on this front.

In the US, I totally feel the change in the power dynamic compared to 10 years ago. 10 years ago, it felt like a much more uneven playing field where the hot guys were sleeping with a different girl every weekend, and the rest of us had to work really hard just to get dates. Girls were crooning over hot guys that I knew would just sleep with them for a little while and then move on (because that's what the guys told me), and the girls either didn't know or didn't care. Now, in the 30s, a lot of my average friends are getting more love from the ladies. It's almost unrecognizable from 10 years ago. One thing I can say hasn't changed is the hope I see in women's eyes. I still see lots of women aiming for home runs, with no concept that there are 30 other women in a guy's phonebook aiming for the same home run. It's the same scenario as when all of us guys chase the hot girl, not realizing that most of us don't stand a chance.