Gangs of New York

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Gangs of New York

Postby OldToeSave » 04 Sep 2003, 11:42

I can't help but feel that this film was inspired in part by Hamlet. It's as if they used the tragedy as a template and then freed themselves to create an epic New York story. Dead father and revengeful child haunted by ghosts of inaction. In fact, this thought first struck me just after Caprio saves the Butcher's life....not sure why....maybe it was reminiscent of the "Now I'll do it...thus am I revenged" soliloquay (sp?)....but just as I am attempting to draw parallels to Hamlet, the character of Monk (the eventual Sheriff) says to Leo, "That was postively Shakespearean". I think an argument (albeit a weak one) can be made for Diaz's character being loosely based on dear ol' Mumsy as well....

I had heard that this was an overly violent film, but I really didn't find it so. Most of the violence is imagined.

And this guy DD Lewis.....he continues to amaze me....gritty as grit....dirty as dirt.....with an eye as glassy as glass....how on earth did they do that tapping the knife point on his eye scene anyway....so cool....

Now I did have two problems with this film...one minor, the other major....

The minor problem was this quick little scene where Leo tosses the bible into the Hudson (East?)....and then goes on to pray for strength....why the contradiction....was sectarian thought okay as long as it was his very own?

Then I had a big problem with the length of the movie....it was one scene too short....I totally got the allegory that the times had changed and what mattered before did not seem half as important as the new world order. I saw this as the two rivals lay battered by the militaristic onslaught barely able to believe what had happened. But Coppola goes on to make sure that we all get it by montaging the changing NYC skyline ending up with a shot of the twin towers. My question is this....if he is going to make this statement, why didn't he go all the way and continue the montage to show the skyline as it is today?

This is the best movie I have seen since American Beauty and that was the best movie I had seen since Silence of the Lambs.....and like I did with those films, I hereby predict a sweep of 4 of the big 5 Oscars. Sorry Cameron, maybe a nod, but no gold for you.
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Postby harrier » 04 Sep 2003, 12:13

I liked it too. The story really drew me in, but I lived in NY 7 yrs so may have more interest than others in NY history. Seemed a bit long, and the fight scenes are overdone/too bloody, but I would recommend it without hesitation.
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Postby MiakaW » 04 Sep 2003, 12:37

I must agree that it was a great movie and Toe Save, I love American Beauty as well, esp. Kevin Spacey.

I think he was praying to his father for strength. And as the party where he threw away the bible, maybe because he didn't have a good memories while he is growing up so throwing away the bible means to throw away the memories??
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Postby OldToeSave » 04 Sep 2003, 12:39

MiakaW wrote:I think he was praying to his father for strength.


Actaully, he was praying to St. Michael. Remember the medallion?
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Re: Gangs of New York

Postby Alien » 04 Sep 2003, 12:55

Toe Save wrote:This is the best movie I have seen since American Beauty and that was the best movie I had seen since Silence of the Lambs.....and like I did with those films, I hereby predict a sweep of 4 of the big 5 Oscars. Sorry Cameron, maybe a nod, but no gold for you.


First, there's no movie that can compare to the brilliance of Silence of the Lambs except for Fargo. Second, this film was nominated at last year's Oscars and lost out to Chicago. :roll:
And Daniel Day Lewis lost to Adrien Brody.
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Postby MiakaW » 04 Sep 2003, 13:00

I remember, but was thinking that maybe because of his dad.. hmmmm :roll:
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Re: Gangs of New York

Postby OldToeSave » 04 Sep 2003, 13:03

Alien wrote:First, there's no movie that can compare to the brilliance of Silence of the Lambs except for Fargo. Second, this film was nominated at last year's Oscars and lost out to Chicago. :roll:
And Daniel Day Lewis lost to Adrien Brody.


Fargo was great and I am stoopid....So much for my predictions....but to be fair, I completely clued out to last year's awards....

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Re: Gangs of New York

Postby cake » 04 Sep 2003, 15:35

Toe Save wrote:Then I had a big problem with the length of the movie....it was one scene too short....I totally got the allegory that the times had changed and what mattered before did not seem half as important as the new world order. I saw this as the two rivals lay battered by the militaristic onslaught barely able to believe what had happened. But Coppola goes on to make sure that we all get it by montaging the changing NYC skyline ending up with a shot of the twin towers. My question is this....if he is going to make this statement, why didn't he go all the way and continue the montage to show the skyline as it is today?


Scorsese directed it.

The scorsese version that he gave to the producers was originally something like 40 minutes longer. The producers thought it was too long and cut it. Scorsese wasn't happy. I don't think he has had that done to him before. Hopefully there will be a directors cut sometime soon.

What pissed me off, was that Taiwan had to wait some 8 months or so to see the film. As scorsese is a fave of mine I had to download it from kazaa, I couldn't wait.
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Re: Gangs of New York

Postby Comrade Stalin » 04 Sep 2003, 16:02

cake wrote:What pissed me off, was that Taiwan had to wait some 8 months or so to see the film. As scorsese is a fave of mine I had to download it from kazaa, I couldn't wait.


I'm sure Scorsese will be thrilled.......
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Postby Cold Front » 04 Sep 2003, 21:06

I thought the movie was so-so. The most interesting parts were the wonderful sets that recreated 19th century New York and Daniel Day Lewis's performance.

Unfortunately, Scorsese seems to have become so obsessed with the history of the period that he lost track of the narrative. He crams in so much detail instead of only using what he needed in service to the story. The result is like a beautiful girl with no brains -- a delight to look at, but hell to talk to.
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