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Re: Seediq Bale

Postby finley » 26 Sep 2011, 17:50

Anyways ... I'll be waiting for the next Pixar release.
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Re: Seediq Bale

Postby kage » 26 Sep 2011, 18:58

Yes, perhaps a good idea.


Since comparisons have be thrown into the discussion already:
I wonder how the numbers would compare between Wushe incident (and other such incidents, such as the Batongguan station incident) and those killed in the "pacification" of the aborigines. I suspect you might reassess your point of view....
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Re: Seediq Bale

Postby Mucha Man » 26 Sep 2011, 19:18

finley wrote:Anyways ... I'll be waiting for the next Pixar release.


There's something for everyone in this great world of ours. Isn't it smashing? :thumbsup:
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Re: Seediq Bale

Postby finley » 26 Sep 2011, 19:24

I wonder how the numbers would compare between Wushe incident (and other such incidents, such as the Batongguan station incident) and those killed in the "pacification" of the aborigines. I suspect you might reassess your point of view....


I don't follow your logic. If Hitler gassed six million Jews and the British firebombed 100,000 German civilians, does that (by itself) make the British the good guys?

My original point was firstly, that they were both as bad as each other, and secondly, the Seediq's actions guaranteed their own extinction; regardless of the morality of their actions, the result was the complete opposite of what they wanted (i.e., preservation of their tribe and culture), and predictably so. Mauna knew that, but nobody else seemed to. That made it a pretty boring film, because you knew exactly how it was going to play out.

Both the Seediq and the Japanese had incorporated fighting and death into their cultures to a thoroughly unhealthy degree and (it seems to me) in very similar ways. It's a film about people killing each other, nothing more, nothing less. There is no "culture" to learn about, and none that deserves to be preserved, whether in memory, on film, or in reality. I think the movie would have been a lot more interesting if it had taken a broader view; as you say, taking in the entire scope of the 'pacification' of all the aboriginal tribes - which, as I understand it, had cultures and traditions which were markedly different from each other, and probably had very different experiences. Frankly, I don't know how many the Japanese killed. I've no doubt it was a lot: but the film barely even touches on that. If it had, perhaps I might have been able to identify better with the protagonists.
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Re: Seediq Bale

Postby Mucha Man » 26 Sep 2011, 19:57

Again, finley, you seem wildly confused about what a movie, or any piece of storytelling or drama is. Heroic or epic stories are almost always pre-known to the audience. Think of the Iliad. Think of Song of Roland or Beowolf. Think Rob Roy. All familiar legends and stories. The pleasure is in the very manner the storyteller presents the events.

Hell, think Lawrence of Arabia. Did you feel bored because the director showed Lawrence dying in the first scene and then went back in time to explore his life? I can imagine you walking out of the theatre and demanding your money. "But I already know what is going to happen!" :lol:
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Re: Seediq Bale

Postby tommy525 » 27 Sep 2011, 02:52

Well this aint no feel good movie i guess.
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Re: Seediq Bale

Postby olm » 29 Sep 2011, 12:28

Guess what? Next week Seediq Bale is running in the evening in English (10/3~10/6, 19:30), and next week Friday the second part starts - also in English.

PS: I only found it by accident on the showtime website, because some small text on the left side included the characters "英文", which I recognized ^_^

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They shall grow not old
As we that are left grow old
Age shall not weary them
Nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun
And in the morning
We will remember them
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Re: Seediq Bale

Postby Chris » 29 Sep 2011, 12:51

See Dick bail!

Seriously... this is great news, and the screening times (7:30 pm) are manageable for most of us who work for a living.
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Re: Seediq Bale

Postby Mucha Man » 29 Sep 2011, 12:51

Yes, great news.
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Re: Seediq Bale

Postby tommy525 » 29 Sep 2011, 15:07

Is it ok to say something bout AVATAR here since some parallels have been made regarding seedig and avatar? Im watching a rented dvd of the same and one amusing thing is where the woman doesnt cut down our hero when hes tied up after the tree was downed. And also she left him on his own , wiped out, in the forest. Then when he flew down to the sacred site in the big whachamacallit ..torook something. Shes suddenly all over him again.

Women appreciate a man of substance ! Its not changed. :D Ok any similar parallels in Seedig?
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