Republicans Prepare to Shut Down the Government and Default the US on its Debt Payments

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Republicans Prepare to Shut Down the Government and Default the US on its Debt Payments

Postby Gao Bohan » 19 Sep 2013, 07:21

This has been in the works for weeks, but today House Republicans have announced that they will tie continued funding of the US government, and payment of the US debt to the complete and permanent defunding of Obamacare. Republicans have completely lost it. Their obsession with opposing Obamacare is surreal. Obamacare is based on Romneycare, which has resulted in 98% of adults and 99% of children in Massachussetts covered by comprehensive health insurance. There is no objective evidence for believing that Obamacare will destroy the nation, but that's exactly what Republicans believe and claim. They are now willing to shut down nearly all government services, and default the US on its debt, the latter of which would be the first time in history. And for what? Just to make a point? Completely absurd. I have a feeling they're going to make good on their threat this time.

Ironically, Obamacare would do nothing but good, while shutting down government services and worse, defaulting the US, will cause real, tangible harm to Americans. Hopefully, Americans will place the blame where it belongs, with Republicans, and vote the bums out of the House in 2014.
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Re: Republicans Prepare to Shut Down the Government and Default the US on its Debt Payments

Postby BrentGolf » 19 Sep 2013, 12:53

Yeah I've been following this one pretty close as well and I agree I think this time may actually be different than all the other times in recent years the Republicans have tried to take American to the brink of default as a bargaining chip. Tying it in with defunding of Obamacare may start them on a path that makes it impossible for an 11th hour deal to be struck. This is a legitimately dangerous game they are playing this time around. Obama simply can't allow a precedent to be set for future debt ceiling negotiations. Republicans either back down, or government shuts down. I don't think Obama can cave this time...
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Re: Republicans Prepare to Shut Down the Government and Default the US on its Debt Payments

Postby John Yu » 19 Sep 2013, 13:07

It's now mandatory to start all threads like this with "To the horror of [somebody], ...."
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Re: Republicans Prepare to Shut Down the Government and Default the US on its Debt Payments

Postby Gao Bohan » 19 Sep 2013, 20:44

Obama will not cave.
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Default is likely one way or another.

Postby rowland » 19 Sep 2013, 20:53

They're just setting up the narrative so Obama and the Democrats dodge the blame.

Gee, doesn't this sound a lot like that sequester scare talk?
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Re: Republicans Prepare to Shut Down the Government and Default the US on its Debt Payments

Postby rowland » 19 Sep 2013, 21:01

Gao Bohan wrote:Obama will not cave.


Maybe he'll do another Syria. He'll cave and then deny he caved.
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Nibbling the edges of the narrative.

Postby rowland » 19 Sep 2013, 21:14

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Re: Republicans Prepare to Shut Down the Government and Default the US on its Debt Payments

Postby Gao Bohan » 20 Sep 2013, 00:38

Budget talks shouldn't be this melodramatic. Republicans are scared because they know what a smashing success RomneyCare has been and continues to be in Massachusetts, and they don't want that success repeated at the national level. Why? Because they hate Obama, and they were dumb enough to nickname the Affordable Care Act as "ObamaCare". If success at the national level comes even close to success at the state level, Republicans will be seen as fearmongering, spiteful bigots. Obama will take his place as one of the nation's great presidents. That's what they don't want.

Republicans are like children, taking everything personally. Their criticisms of Obama have very little to do with his policies. Everything is personal. We've seen it in this forum as well. His critics attack him personally, and every attack is an absurdity. When Bush was president, I opposed most of his policies, but I didn't hate him. I didn't even dislike him. I certainly didn't think he was an evil Muslim socialist antichrist bent on worldwide destruction. I just disagreed with him, that's it. Republicans have reduced themselves to clowns, and worst of all, they're not even funny clowns.
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Re: Republicans Prepare to Shut Down the Government and Default the US on its Debt Payments

Postby rowland » 20 Sep 2013, 02:11

Good grief, Gao. There's an air of desperation to your spin.
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Re: Republicans Prepare to Shut Down the Government and Default the US on its Debt Payments

Postby buzzkill1 » 20 Sep 2013, 02:50

Gao Bohan wrote:Obamacare would do nothing but good


That suggest you're not living in the United States and know little of the everyday reality there. Several employers are already planning to cut employee hours to less than 30 hours a week in order to avoid Obamacare. Others will drop company coverage altogether because it's cheaper to pay the fine. Some simply just wont hire as many workers. Healthy 21 year-olds will have to pay nearly $300/month for health coverage under Obama, I doubt most will pay it. The most effective health care plans in the U.S. come from private large companies that pool employee contributions for a common fund. Obama intends to dismantle these in order to force their contribution to a more expensive national system.

Larger companies are exempt for the time being, so now Obamacare amounts to a middle class gouge in order to subsidize a bloated and money sucking health care system. MRIs have increased 5-fold since 2005 because of the amount hospitals can charge for them. Maybe now they'll be able to double that number. If America wants to attempt national health insurance they should model it more closely to Taiwan's (minus the doctor visits for the common cold). 25% of the health care costs in the U.S. is paper work, a sizable chunk from malpractice insurance, and who knows how much from needless treatment and keeping the terminally ill alive for an extra couple of months regardless of quality of life. Much needs to be done to change health care in the states but Obamacare is going to be a money pit that will cause more problems than it's trying to solve.

I don't really care if Republicans stop it or not (and I doubt they will), because it's going to reveal itself as a disaster sooner than later.

U.S. postal service= broke
Social Security = broke
Medicare = broke
U.S. government = broke

Hey, I know...lets let the government manage everyone's health care.

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