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Re: France needs more truck control.

Postby GuyInTaiwan » 26 Jul 2016, 07:48

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Abbasid Caliphate

That religion has thirteen centuries of history (and conquest) prior to the end of the Cold War.


Whereas Christianity had sixteen- and we did it bigger and badder. And then we birthed Nazism and Communism.

Killing innocent people in the name of the prophet was going on for 1000 years before America was even a country


1400 years if you call Jesus a prophet.


The difference being, of course, that Jesus didn't rape a nine year old girl, put huge areas to the sword, take slaves and then exhort his followers to do so after his death. Christianity was later co-opted into something else. Likewise, most sane people in the West actively denounce Hitler and Stalin. How many in the Muslim world denounce Mahommed? Nice false equivalencies on your part though.
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Re: France needs more truck control.

Postby Dog's_Breakfast » 29 Jul 2016, 07:39

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Re: France needs more truck control.

Postby MikeN » 29 Jul 2016, 22:20

GuyInTaiwan wrote:
MikeN wrote:
GuyInTaiwan wrote:
Abbasid Caliphate

That religion has thirteen centuries of history (and conquest) prior to the end of the Cold War.


Whereas Christianity had sixteen- and we did it bigger and badder. And then we birthed Nazism and Communism.

Killing innocent people in the name of the prophet was going on for 1000 years before America was even a country


1400 years if you call Jesus a prophet.


The difference being, of course, that Jesus didn't rape a nine year old girl, put huge areas to the sword, take slaves and then exhort his followers to do so after his death. Christianity was later co-opted into something else. Likewise, most sane people in the West actively denounce Hitler and Stalin. How many in the Muslim world denounce Mahommed? Nice false equivalencies on your part though.

No but plenty of his followers did. But I agree Christianity has been house-broken by the Enlightenment, and Islam needs the same.
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Re: France needs more truck control.

Postby MikeN » 29 Jul 2016, 22:57

Or, put it this way- both of these deluded fellows who heard voices in their heads lived many centuries ago, and we have no idea what they actually preached. We do know, however, that both of them produced systems of thought that were particularly apt to slaughter both non-believers and heretics for holding wrong ideas (there was some of this among pagans and in the East, but by and large they slaughtered each other for different reasons).

Christianity and Islam were pretty much of a muchness in the murder stakes until after the horrors of the Wars of Religion between branches of the followers of Jesus Christ, which slaughtered a higher percentage of the population of Europe than the wars of the 20th century. After that people in Europe stopped taking religion seriously and started slaughtering both each other and outsiders over questions of nationalism and ideology.

So Christians no longer murder each other or people who don't share their beliefs because nobody in the West really cares about Christianity any more.

Terrorism being the weapon of the weak, up until the end of the 1980s it was largely the province of nationalists and leftists- right-wing murderers usually had the backing of governments and hence were legitimate killers, not terrorists.

With the collapse of the Soviet Union and the failure of nationalist ideologies, Islamic terrorism came to the fore- Shiites from Iran in the 1980s, with Sunni Muslims taking over after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and the American invasion of Iraq.
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