Post Gadaffi Libya - What Now?

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Re: Post Gadaffi Libya - What Now?

Postby Tigerman » 31 Aug 2011, 21:41

Jaboney wrote:I think the majority are seeking democracy as a solution to what ails them...


Tripoli divided as rebels jostle over power... Attempts to name military leader to unify bands of fighters instead expose divisions...

A majority of the rebels want democracy? :eh:
As it is, we seem to regard it as a positive objection to a reasoner that he has taken one side or the other. We regard it (in other words) as a positive objection to a reasoner that he has contrived to reach the object of his reasoning. We call a man a bigot or a slave of dogma because he is a thinker who has thought thoroughly and to a definite end.

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Re: Post Gadaffi Libya - What Now?

Postby Huang Guang Chen » 31 Aug 2011, 21:50

So yet another despotic regime liberated by chaos! Go chaos, go!

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Re: Post Gadaffi Libya - What Now?

Postby Jaboney » 31 Aug 2011, 22:57

Tigerman wrote:A majority of the rebels want democracy? :eh:

No contradiction between wanting a democracy and wanting power.

Give them this much: it's more honest than packing the voter lists, roadblocks, and sham literacy tests.
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Re: Post Gadaffi Libya - What Now?

Postby Huang Guang Chen » 31 Aug 2011, 23:04

I have a sense that's soon to come.

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Re: Post Gadaffi Libya - What Now?

Postby Gman » 31 Aug 2011, 23:08

Jaboney wrote:
Tigerman wrote:A majority of the rebels want democracy? :eh:

No contradiction between wanting a democracy and wanting power.

Give them this much: it's more honest than packing the voter lists, roadblocks, and sham literacy tests.



Agreed, however, none of this warrented direct involvement by outside nations. The rebels don't need to justify their motives for rebellion. It is the involvement by outside nations where the justification gets murky.
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Re: Post Gadaffi Libya - What Now?

Postby Tigerman » 01 Sep 2011, 05:43

Jaboney wrote:No contradiction between wanting a democracy and wanting power.


I would say there is not necessarily a contradiction between wanting a democracy and wanting power. However, wanting power for yourself or your group is not usually a sign of democratic leanings.

Jaboney wrote:Give them this much: it's more honest than packing the voter lists, roadblocks, and sham literacy tests.


Not relevant to this discussion.
As it is, we seem to regard it as a positive objection to a reasoner that he has taken one side or the other. We regard it (in other words) as a positive objection to a reasoner that he has contrived to reach the object of his reasoning. We call a man a bigot or a slave of dogma because he is a thinker who has thought thoroughly and to a definite end.

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Re: Post Gadaffi Libya - What Now?

Postby GuyInTaiwan » 01 Sep 2011, 10:43

There's a really simple way to sort out power and governance. Anyone who would want either should never be allowed to have either.
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Re: Post Gadaffi Libya - What Now?

Postby Jaboney » 01 Sep 2011, 10:45

And how do you "sort in" power and governance?
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Re: Post Gadaffi Libya - What Now?

Postby Gman » 01 Sep 2011, 12:15

The best way is to simply put tight restrictions on the role of central government. It's functions should be tightly confined to defending the country, defending the citizens from each other (rule of law) and perhaps providing infrastructure. With a very limited government the harm that can be done by any member of the government is greatly limited.
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Re: Post Gadaffi Libya - What Now?

Postby steev » 14 Sep 2011, 00:15

My guess is the new leader will be a Muslim "fundamentalist" that was tortured by Gaddafi forces after a rendition operation by either the UK or US. He'll be a real fun guy to deal with!
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