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Re: America-Hating Conservatives: Why Drag God into It?

Postby Gman » 03 Sep 2011, 17:18

CraigTPE wrote:
jdsmith wrote:
CraigTPE wrote:Instead of turning every thread into a referendum on Obama, could the anti-Obama people perhaps address the subject from the OP? How do you feel about your front running candidates preaching hellfire and damnation?


Who cares? The larger question is why the hell is it getting so much coverage? I read the news every day. What these candidates seem to be actually SAYING day in and out is about the economy, the debt, and jobs. Yet the stories being written are about religious weirdness. Imagine religious weirdness in America! shocking! :eek:

Well, the person who started this thread cares. How about showing them some respect and stick to the issue, or start a new thread on bashing Obama.

I care. I don't want a bible basher as President. I kind of like separation of church and state, and the freedom of, or from, religion.


Craig, that's never going to happen and you know it. And, getting hysterical about it is every bit as crazy as the utterances of these idiots. And the person that started this thread doesn't care about this issue any more than the other umpteen other "Right wing outrages" threads he's started. Infact, for the sake of some order on the IP forum why not just start a "Current Right Wing/Republican Outrage". In fact, why not ask the mod to make it a private forum like the womens forum. That way you guys will have a place where you can post away in hysterical outrage at what ever crazy thing you all saw during your nightly viewing of FOX news and nobody will disturb you.
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Re: America-Hating Conservatives: Why Drag God into It?

Postby jdsmith » 03 Sep 2011, 19:38

Gman wrote:
CraigTPE wrote:
jdsmith wrote:
CraigTPE wrote:Instead of turning every thread into a referendum on Obama, could the anti-Obama people perhaps address the subject from the OP? How do you feel about your front running candidates preaching hellfire and damnation?


Who cares? The larger question is why the hell is it getting so much coverage? I read the news every day. What these candidates seem to be actually SAYING day in and out is about the economy, the debt, and jobs. Yet the stories being written are about religious weirdness. Imagine religious weirdness in America! shocking! :eek:

Well, the person who started this thread cares. How about showing them some respect and stick to the issue, or start a new thread on bashing Obama.

I care. I don't want a bible basher as President. I kind of like separation of church and state, and the freedom of, or from, religion.


Craig, that's never going to happen and you know it. And, getting hysterical about it is every bit as crazy as the utterances of these idiots. And the person that started this thread doesn't care about this issue any more than the other umpteen other "Right wing outrages" threads he's started. Infact, for the sake of some order on the IP forum why not just start a "Current Right Wing/Republican Outrage". In fact, why not ask the mod to make it a private forum like the womens forum. That way you guys will have a place where you can post away in hysterical outrage at what ever crazy thing you all saw during your nightly viewing of FOX news and nobody will disturb you.

Ooooh, I like you. :thumbsup: :bravo:
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Re: America-Hating Conservatives: Why Drag God into It?

Postby TainanCowboy » 03 Sep 2011, 20:48

Gman wrote:
CraigTPE wrote:
jdsmith wrote:
CraigTPE wrote:Instead of turning every thread into a referendum on Obama, could the anti-Obama people perhaps address the subject from the OP? How do you feel about your front running candidates preaching hellfire and damnation?
Who cares? The larger question is why the hell is it getting so much coverage? I read the news every day. What these candidates seem to be actually SAYING day in and out is about the economy, the debt, and jobs. Yet the stories being written are about religious weirdness. Imagine religious weirdness in America! shocking! :eek:

Well, the person who started this thread cares. How about showing them some respect and stick to the issue, or start a new thread on bashing Obama.
I care. I don't want a bible basher as President. I kind of like separation of church and state, and the freedom of, or from, religion.
Craig, that's never going to happen and you know it. And, getting hysterical about it is every bit as crazy as the utterances of these idiots. And the person that started this thread doesn't care about this issue any more than the other umpteen other "Right wing outrages" threads he's started. Infact, for the sake of some order on the IP forum why not just start a "Current Right Wing/Republican Outrage". In fact, why not ask the mod to make it a private forum like the womens forum. That way you guys will have a place where you can post away in hysterical outrage at what ever crazy thing you all saw during your nightly viewing of FOX news and nobody will disturb you.

Cozy sentiment.
However,
1. That "separation of church and state" thing is NOT in the founding papers....aka. The U.S. Constitution.
2. mofa is about as politically relevant as a fart in an elevator.
3. The IP mods are biased, leftist/progressive/liberal, as possible so any semblance of a fair debate is negated by editing of posts, dissappearing of posts and any other trick they/he can pull to keep it on the left side - pro-Soetero.

Thats life on the Forumosa...and as its looks like...Taiwanease is being a diuplicate.


Oh...and that Current Right Wing/Republican Outrage". thing thread is already a reality...lol.
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Re: America-Hating Conservatives: Why Drag God into It?

Postby jdsmith » 03 Sep 2011, 20:54

Thats life on the Forumosa...and as its looks like...Taiwanease is being a diuplicate.


Now, I'm jest a simple man, TC and I don't rightly know what diuplicate means, but that Cat comodding IP yonder brings some balance that surely doesn't exist here. :thumbsup:
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Re: America-Hating Conservatives: Why Drag God into It?

Postby TainanCowboy » 03 Sep 2011, 21:03

jdsmith wrote:
Thats life on the Forumosa...and as its looks like...Taiwanease is being a diuplicate.
Now, I'm jest a simple man, TC and I don't rightly know what diuplicate means, but that Cat comodding IP yonder brings some balance that surely doesn't exist here. :thumbsup:
Yeah...that cat(leopard) is going to changer its spots.....uh huh...yeah...and I have a bridge here in Tainan for sale...goes right over to the mainland...for you...cheap price....un hunh...
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Re: America-Hating Conservatives: Why Drag God into It?

Postby Gman » 04 Sep 2011, 08:48

TainanCowboy wrote:3. The IP mods are biased, leftist/progressive/liberal, as possible so any semblance of a fair debate is negated by editing of posts, dissappearing of posts and any other trick they/he can pull to keep it on the left side - pro-Soetero.


My relationship with the mod on this board is a long way from 'warm and fuzzy' and the views I've expressed on this board are far from leftist or progressive (the meaning of word liberal has been corrupted). Having said this, I've never had a single post of mine, that conformed with the rules of the forum, edited or 'dissappeared'.
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Re: America-Hating Conservatives: Why Drag God into It?

Postby TheAmericanNomad » 04 Sep 2011, 11:40

GuyInTaiwan wrote:TheAmericanNomad: Which (current) Republican candidates would cause you to not vote for Nader?



Well, Ron Paul would actually make me vote for Ron Paul instead of Nader, even though I am not a libertarian (more of a socialist actually) but I think the only things he could accomplish are the things I'd want him to.

But, Bachmann, Palin (I know she isn't a current candidate, but if she does jump in) and Herman Cain would make me vote for Obama. Possibly Rick Perry but I haven't really researched enough about him to know how dangerous he could be.

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I don't think you should include healthcare as a accomplishment. No single payer, no public option. Just a mandate. It is nice that it doesn't allow companies to deny you, but I can say taking the Republican plan from the 90s is an accomplishment.

Healthcare for 9/11 responders: Yeah, great, and it took a shit load of Jon Stewart slamming people on it to make it happen. Either way, it doesn't effect the country at large. It is something that we all should have done morally, but it is hardly a victory.

Fiscal Stimulus: If the economy had turned around this would be an accomplishment, it hasn't so this isn't.

Redirected forces from Iraq to Afghanistan: I would like to see them come home, not be sent to another hell hole. I understand he called Afghanistan "the good war" back when he was a candidate, so I can't blame him for turning back on his campaign promise, regardless it isn't what I want. It is hardly a win on the political stage either, considering the troops in Iraq started their withdraw under Bush. And I certainly didn't vote for the bombing of two more countries when I voted for what I thought was the "Anti-war" candidate. (Libya and Yemen, three if you count Somalia)

Financial Reform: I'll give you this one. Still, not much. And it should have gone much further.

Don't Ask Don't Tell: Meh, I mean, great, he did that. Still it is just a small social issue that doesn't really effect most Americans. Don't get me wrong, I think it is great that if a gay soldier is injured, his partner doesn't have to claim to be his friend. I think that is awesome, but I need more than that if I am going to vote for him, I need things that effect most of the country.

What I want from Obama is for him to seriously look at marijuana legalization, look seriously at bringing our troops home, to actually bring up the Patriot Act again (not one mention since he has been president), to reverse the trend of power grabbing by the executive branch that has been going on since the 60s.


Instead of turning every thread into a referendum on Obama, could the anti-Obama people perhaps address the subject from the OP? How do you feel about your front running candidates preaching hellfire and damnation?


Well, I don't consider myself anti-Obama, he has just dissapointed me so much I feel compelled for vote for someone who I think could fix it, even if that person has zero chance at winning. (That person is not likely to be a D or an R) but as to your question:

Yes, it concerns me very much that a large segment of our population actually cheers on these batshit insane candidates like Bachmann. I think they are very dangerous, more dangerous than even Bush. Bush may have been a puppet of the Neo Cons, but at least the Neo Cons are smart. Evil, but smart. Bachmann is just retarded. A fire and brimstone preacher that no one can predict. Will she listen to the Neo Cons? Maybe. Or will she impose her version of Christianity on the rest of the nation? Will she start another crusade against Islam? I don't know, no one does, so by all means she needs to not be our president. I don't think she will be though.

My hope (besides the unlikely result of Ron Paul winning the primary) is that Romney wins the GOP nomination. I can't see much of a difference between a Romney presidency and an Obama one. Both are just politicians who will cater to the people who got them campaign money rather than the people who actually voted for them. The only advantage I see in an Obama second term is that perhaps, without the pressure of a reelection, MAYBE he will begin to work on his legacy a little bit and work for us little people.



EDIT: As for people who say there will never be a bible bashing president in the U.S. I don't think you quite understand American politics. (regardless if you are actually American or not) There are religious undertones to EVERYTHING in politics here. Bachmann is a serious contender (though not the front runner) and she is every bit in favor of running this country according to bible. Come on, religion, gay marriage, drugs, even the wars at times, all of these debates are framed within religion. The Christian Right is very powerful here, not powerful enough to take over, but powerful enough to have an effect. And in a generation or two, it is conceivable that they could be the majority of the country. I tend to think, however, that we are ever so slowly moving in the opposite direction and that these past two years are an aberation.

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Re: America-Hating Conservatives: Why Drag God into It?

Postby Okami » 04 Sep 2011, 13:07

TheAmericanNomad wrote:Financial Reform: I'll give you this one. Still, not much. And it should have gone much further.
You've got to be kidding me!!! This totally screwed people who follow the rules. My checking account now costs me $60 a year from a credit union, A FUCKING CREDIT UNION!!!!!!!!!!! Debit cards are going to be a paid luxury soon because they capped fees. Debit card reward programs are disappearing rapidly. So if you were a honest, follow the rules, can do money manager like myself, Financial reform was a complete and utter clusterfuck for you.

I mean the bill was written by Barney "I didn't know a gay brothel was being ran out of my house" Frank and Chris "I got a sweet house in Ireland cheap and all my financing needs are under market rates because I was buds with Angelo, disgraced former Countrywide CEO" Dodds. Yeah, great deal for us follow the rules folks. :roll:
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Re: America-Hating Conservatives: Why Drag God into It?

Postby Chris » 04 Sep 2011, 13:10

TainanCowboy wrote:1. That "separation of church and state" thing is NOT in the founding papers....aka. The U.S. Constitution.

Yes it is: it's in the First Amendment.

The pertinent words: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".

The first bolded part keeps the government free of religion; the second bolded part keeps religion free of the government. For the betterment of both.
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Re: America-Hating Conservatives: Why Drag God into It?

Postby CraigTPE » 05 Sep 2011, 06:56

Gman wrote:
CraigTPE wrote:I care. I don't want a bible basher as President. I kind of like separation of church and state, and the freedom of, or from, religion.


Craig, that's never going to happen and you know it. And, getting hysterical about it is every bit as crazy as the utterances of these idiots.

There was an article on Huffington Post about this subject, and in a debate in the comment section a person accused the 'left" of getting all bent out of shape about it, somewhat like what you are doing here, and the reply was how can the "left" ignore all the bible bashing when the Republican candidates are doing it at every possible chance? Just ignore what they are saying? That's your advice?
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