Syria - The balloon is going up

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Re: Syria - The balloon is going up

Postby headhonchoII » 27 Feb 2012, 15:33

fred smith wrote:Let this go on for a while longer. Then, and only then, can the US get involved. This has to be palatable for the bien-pensant. At least, if we go in, we will not have to listen to the same old hippie bullshit about oil for food... oh sorry I meant blood for oil or something wasn't it?


You can get the reaction from the horse's mouth here

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17170775

Looks like nobody is rushing into this one. Syria is complex like Lebanon. It's also interesting to see that she mentioned most of Syria is peaceful at this stage, a civil war would be a really bad thing for the country as a whole.
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Re: Syria - The balloon is going up

Postby TainanCowboy » 27 Feb 2012, 18:36

finley wrote:You know, someone really ought to set up a United Nations Organisation to deal with things like this.

I think they did:

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Re: Syria - The balloon is going up

Postby urodacus » 27 Feb 2012, 18:50

ChewDawg wrote:Fifty-six foreign policy experts and former U.S. government officials signed a letter dated Friday calling for proactive U.S.-led steps against the government.


Dear Mr. President:

(etc etc)

Sincerely,


Khairi Abaza Abe Greenwald John Podhoretz

Ammar Abdulhamid John P. Hannah Stephen Rademaker

Hussain Abdul-Hussain William Inboden Karl Rove

Fouad Ajami Bruce Pitcairn Jackson Jonathan Schanzer

Tony Badran Ash Jain Randy Scheunemann

Paul Berman Kenneth Jensen Gary J. Schmitt

Max Boot Allison Johnson Daniel S. Senor

Ellen Bork Sirwan Kajjo Lee Smith

L. Paul Bremer Lawrence F. Kaplan Henry D. Sokolski

Matthew R. J. Brodsky Irina Krasovskaya Daniel Twining

Elizabeth Cheney William Kristol Peter Wehner

Seth Cropsey Michael Ledeen Kenneth R. Weinstein

Toby Dershowitz Tod Lindberg Leon Wieseltier

James Denton Herbert I. London R. James Woolsey

Michael Doran Clifford D. May Khawla Yusuf

Mark Dubowitz Ann Marlowe Dov S. Zakheim

Nicholas Eberstadt Robert C. McFarlane Robert Zarate

Eric S. Edelman Joshua Muravchik Radwan Ziadeh

Jamie M. Fly Martin Peretz

Reuel Marc Gerecht Danielle Pletka



http://www.foreignpolicyi.org/content/f ... n-in-syria


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Re: Syria - The balloon is going up

Postby Jaboney » 27 Feb 2012, 20:47

Long, ignominious histories too.
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Re: Syria - The balloon is going up

Postby Tigerman » 28 Feb 2012, 05:09

Syria army shells Homs and northern towns in Idlib

It just goes on and on. Now, the Syrian military has launched a new offensive on several towns in the north-western province of Idlib.

This, amid a growing refugee crisis.

Aid agencies and many concerned governments are now pressing for the opening of humanitarian corridors to Deraa and other border towns. At a huge UNHCR warehouse in central Jordan, they are preparing to deliver supplies to the growing number of Syrian refugees now in the country. Tents, blankets, jerry cans and all manner of aid is stacked high to the ceiling. With more than 70,000 Syrian refugees now thought to be in Jordan, it is a heavy burden on the UN refugee agency and the Jordanian government.


But, at least the Europeans are getting serious with Assad:

a freeze on the European-held assets of the Syrian central bank, travel bans on seven close associates of President Bashar al-Assad, a ban on cargo flights from Syria into the EU, and restrictions on the trade in gold and precious metals


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Re: Syria - The balloon is going up

Postby fred smith » 28 Feb 2012, 09:38

a civil war would be a really bad thing for the country as a whole


Hmmmm a civil war would be "bad for the country as a whole." They usually are aren't they? :)

No. Like the Balkans, we have to let the multilateral institutions like the EU and UN bankrupt themselves once again before we can take action. Make no mistake, I merely regret that our troops did not keep moving through Syria in 2003 when we invaded Iraq. The overthrow of Assad will be a major plus. What could possibly be worse? and I am not joking on that score. Let the tired old despots get thrown out. This is like seeing the mafia organizations turn on each other. Good riddance to bad baggage. This is the one thing that I have never understood about the discussion of the Middle East and politics. It is not about religion. It is about organized gangs whether for Lebanon, Gaza, West Bank, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia. We are faced with a region of Sicilies and as in the latter, the role of religion, in that case the Catholic Church, is equally irrelevant. What is the equivalent of lighting a few votaries and saying a few Hail Mary's in Islam?

And it is also needed to allow the bleeding hearts to finally wake up to demand action. Ironically, millions died in Iraq but this was still not enough to justify the US invasion of 2003. The left is all over the place on these interventions but unless it gets the opportunity to demand them first, they cannot happen because they have not been appropriately sanctioned by those who delegate to themselves the only ability to CARE. Never mind their past actions. Never mind their pronouncements. They and only they are the guardians of their own irrationality and inconsistency. And remember how important that latter word was to those who opposed Bush for invading Iraq. Funny how that word is no longer bandied about so much now that the only inconsistencies are those of the left. irony of ironies. should have been another chapter to Ecclesiastes... or better yet Lamentations!
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Re: Syria - The balloon is going up

Postby fred smith » 28 Feb 2012, 09:46

Tainan Cowboy:

Thanks for the salutory reminder that Syria got its chemical and nuclear and perhaps bio weapons technology and materials from somewhere. The choices are Iraq or Iran. If the former, Bush is justified. If the latter, further action is justified because we have repeatedly as has the "international community" stated that such proliferation is unacceptable and a causus belli
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Re: Syria - The balloon is going up

Postby urodacus » 28 Feb 2012, 15:46

Would it perhaps be cheaper and more effective to simply build a very large exclusion zone/ Great Wall of Bushyness* /etc around the entire Arab bloc and those pesky Middle and Near Eastern nations and just wall them up inside and let them play with themselves? Let no one in or out, no shipping, no airlines, no donkey couriers, no people smugglers, no nothing?

That should be far simpler. Let them stew in their own festering mediaeval mess, and let them play with themselves with no fear of outside intervention. I mean, we'd just need to extend the wall that the israelis have started for, oh, about 20,000 km. No biggie.


Wait. Maybe not, We need their oil. Silly me.






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Re: Syria - The balloon is going up

Postby Got To Be Kidding » 28 Feb 2012, 15:59

urodacus wrote:Would it perhaps be cheaper and more effective to simply build a very large exclusion zone/ Great Wall of Bushyness* /etc around the entire Arab bloc and those pesky Middle and Near Eastern nations and just wall them up inside and let them play with themselves? Let no one in or out, no shipping, no airlines, no donkey couriers, no people smugglers, no nothing?

That should be far simpler. Let them stew in their own festering mediaeval mess, and let them play with themselves with no fear of outside intervention. I mean, we'd just need to extend the wall that the israelis have started for, oh, about 20,000 km. No biggie.


Wait. Maybe not, We need their oil. Silly me.


Actually, quite a few Arabs would vigorously support your suggestion. Most Arabs would really prefer that the rest of the world left them alone and let them just get on with being Arab.
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Re: Syria - The balloon is going up

Postby Winston Smith » 28 Feb 2012, 17:59

Maybe some outside the box thinking is in order here. For example, have you ever thought of just going AWOL from the Project For A New American Reich and just saying no to taking their land, invading their countries and killing their people? It's worth a shot just to see what happens.
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