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Re: Republican Presidential Primary II

Postby GuyInTaiwan » 04 May 2012, 09:05

"Paul is costing the state a lot of credibility," said Bob Haus, a GOP consultant who most recently headed up Texas Gov. Rick Perry's campaign in the state.


That's fantastic.
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Re: Republican Presidential Primary II

Postby Chris » 04 May 2012, 09:33

Kea wrote:Things will only get worse under Obama. With RP's new movement, the least is that the GOP/MR may have to take on some of their policies toward individual liberty.

Such as, say, abortion rights? You think Ron Paul supports those? Think again.
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Re: Republican Presidential Primary II

Postby jdsmith » 04 May 2012, 09:36

Chris wrote:
Kea wrote:Things will only get worse under Obama. With RP's new movement, the least is that the GOP/MR may have to take on some of their policies toward individual liberty.

Such as, say, abortion rights? You think Ron Paul supports those? Think again.

I think women will be able to kill their unborn children or avert pregnancy for a long long time to come, regardless of whom is in the White House or whichever party controls Congress.
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Re: Republican Presidential Primary II

Postby Kea » 04 May 2012, 16:10

They're wrong on rule 38, due to the implementation of Superdelegates. Present will be the best shot, I suspect.
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Re: Republican Presidential Primary II

Postby fred smith » 05 May 2012, 01:10

Kea:

Great that you are fascinated by what's his face? Do you also march in/support the occupy wall street movement? I am sorry but I just cannot see him as a serious candidate. Now you respond with: but that is because he is so far ahead of his time... if the media (bought) would just give him a chance, why he might do as well as Ralph Nader, right? So... er... been there, seen it all before and not interested in seeing this made into a t shirt, no sirree...
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Re: Republican Presidential Primary II

Postby Kea » 05 May 2012, 04:24

fred smith wrote:Kea:

Great that you are fascinated by what's his face? Do you also march in/support the occupy wall street movement? I am sorry but I just cannot see him as a serious candidate. Now you respond with: but that is because he is so far ahead of his time... if the media (bought) would just give him a chance, why he might do as well as Ralph Nader, right? So... er... been there, seen it all before and not interested in seeing this made into a t shirt, no sirree...

I thought it was a funny image, but being overly a fan is not where I want/need to go (so removed). I said earlier why I'd like to see him win, although it's very difficult in the end. I'll keep it simple, and focused on those reasons. I also said MR (influenced by RP platform) is a pitifully acceptable fallback compared to BO, despite being an Establishment hack, and look at the damage both Dem/Repub parties have done with their decades of corrupt politicians. Ultimately, it's America's dilemma, and we're watching from afar.

I was posting some up to date news on the situation because it's interesting and fresh, there's a dearth of anything relevant here (you guys contribute very little), and right now there is a fair amount of scrambling going in the establishment media/GOP. It's the most interesting Republican Primary in quite some time.

I will add: The way some of you post is vacuous and troll like, just shallow criticisms of others, adding little. You are funny, in your own minds. I have never said I support OWS, never gave any opinion about it, as you are aware. Nor about Nader. If you had read the links you'd see RP has MUCH more support than RN, and deserves a lot of respect in his own right. Specifically, read the article about paradigm shift, it relates specifically to your responses on this thread. Leave this thread to you. Bye.
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Re: Republican Presidential Primary II

Postby ChewDawg » 05 May 2012, 12:44

Kea wrote:
ChewDawg wrote:
Kea wrote: Just please stop your endless shallow sniping of my well-meaning posts. Thank you. Good-bye.

Calling someone a troll is not well meaning. Nor is trying to silence someone. If you truly think Paul is different why don't you explain why instead of using tactics that show cowardice in my opinion. :lol:

I already have said why I support RP for this election.
With you, it's always play the man, in a sarcastic manner. Your posts are often instantly troll-like. The only way to respond is to stand up to you and send it straight back. I'm off for the weekend, so keep whinging if you wish.


Would love to hear your commentary of Ron Paul supporters at Alaska's GOP convention where their boorish behavior was illustrated for all to see when the heckled the 2 US Senators from Alaska that attended.

Again, I ask you, what can one expect from a hodgepodge of Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, Holocaust Deniers, 9/11 "Truthers" and other paranoid and discredited conspiracists?

They are nothing but thugs that like to disrupt

Salon wrote:The threat of an outsize Paul contingent isn’t about platform planks, though. It’s about disruption. National conventions long ago stopped being about official party business and became slickly produced infomercials. But Paul’s supporters aren’t, generally speaking, party loyalists. For them, Tampa won’t be a vacation – it will be a mission. With the right numbers, they could slow the convention down with procedural distractions, messing with the party’s careful scripting of the event. More alarming for Romney is the prospect of Paul delegates loudly and derisively jeering speakers, and maybe even Romney himself, creating an image of chaos and disunity. To understand this threat, just look at what happened at the recent Alaska state GOP convention, where Paul supporters relentlessly heckled two U.S. senators.

http://www.salon.com/2012/05/03/the_ron ... over_plot/
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Re: Republican Presidential Primary II

Postby Kea » 05 May 2012, 12:59

Well, the first woman was wrong (although she had a justifiable reason, being that the Mukowski had gone with NDAA and the Blunt Amendment) and that was inappropriate given the situation. However, there has been so much cheating against RP done this year by media and establishment GOP, which is much worse than a little booing.

The crowd response to Barrasso (NDAA) was excellent, he deserved it. The audience was mainly people who believe in individual liberty, listening to an establishment Senator tell them to vote for MR. You know that Alaskans like to be left to make their own decisions.

That's all I'm going to say to you. You again go off the rails with your hodge-podge insult, denigrating an entire group of people. If you can't look deeper, then I don't have any interest to communicate with you.
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Re: Republican Presidential Primary II

Postby Kea » 08 May 2012, 15:22

Just a pic:
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Cooperations wrote:Paul has no chance of getting the GOP nomination. As for getting things to a second vote and then winning in that way, the NYT has a decent article on that and other topics.....

No chance? Well, he's unlikely but has some chance if enough delegates are able to abstain on the first vote. That's up in the air..and there's a long way to go till Tampa. I wouldn't pay any attention to the NYT, they and the rest of the mass media have ignored him and been against him the whole way through.
For the rest of your opinions? Well, see my recent post in Temp for my views on those. Cheers.
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Re: Republican Presidential Primary II

Postby Cooperations » 08 May 2012, 16:03

Paul has no chance of getting the GOP nomination. As for getting things to a second vote and then winning in that way, the NYT has a decent article on that and other topics recently discussed here: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012 ... onvention/

I have to ask, why would he really even want the republican nomination? He's been battling them his entire career based on what he thinks the party should be and ignores what it is-and it's never really been what he would like it to be. You would think after all these years he would give up and go with the libertarians, who he has MUCH more in common with. The repub party platform and Paul have almost nothing in common. Ron Paul will likely be looking out for his legacy and creating a path for his son. His best move is to wait until the last possible moment and announce a third party run, but I doubt he will do that.

Like I have said before, I don't agree with Ron Paul on all issues. His stance on abortion is nonsensical given his other positions on individual liberty. His catering to religious zealots is equally unappealing. But, I think he makes perfect sense when he links the deficit with military expenditures overseas, for example. Democrats don't get that we need to cut spending; Republicans don't get that taxes still need to pay for what we borrowed (3 fu**ing wars). Our options as voters are pretty limited. I don't think Obama or Romney will get the US out of the hole it has dug itself into. Eight years of Bush really damaged the US economy; that's not a pass for Obama, but it's going to take years to dig out of that mess.
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