Climate Change V - More Evidence of Fraud

[TainanCowboy]

More evidence comes in that facts are/have always been irrelevant items in the "GlobalWarming/AGW/Climate Change" scam


Climategate 2.0: New E-Mails Rock The Global Warming Debate

"Forbes reports on a release of a new batch of emails where prominent climate scientists reveal that they actively deleted protected emails in an attempt to avoid releasing evidence that the data does not support alleged man-made warming. According to the Forbes report:
Three themes are emerging from the newly released emails:

(1) prominent scientists central to the global warming debate are taking measures to conceal rather than disseminate underlying data and discussions;

(2) these scientists view global warming as a political “cause” rather than a balanced scientific inquiry and

(3) many of these scientists frankly admit to each other that much of the science is weak and dependent on deliberate manipulation of facts and data."

The Fat Lady still ain't finished singing about this global fraud....

[Deuce Dropper]

instead of focusing on the minutia of naysayers, why don't you give the same credence to the mountains and mountains of positive evidence.

these tactics of willful ignorance are the domain of the conspiracy morons, do not be so simple as to apply their flawed methods.

or perhaps you don't think all the shit we are pumping into the environment (in liquid, solid and gaseous forms) is a big issue. the fact that there is nary a metropolis with clean air, nary a river with drinkable water and a garbage collection the size of Texas floating in the South Pacific must not be a big deal to you. I guess it means nothing that we will be able to navigate the Arctic in the next decade, Bangladesh will lose a high percentage of its fresh water as salt water creeps into the delta due to rising tides etc...etc...etc...

keep highlighting the one or two areas that may be up for questioning, ignore the thousands upon thousands of areas where they nailed it. keep it a semantic argument, keep on truckin!!!

oh to be willfully ignorant!

[justreal]

instead of focusing on the minutia of naysayers, why don't you give the same credence to the mountains and mountains of positive evidence.

these tactics of willful ignorance are the domain of the conspiracy morons, do not be so simple as to apply their flawed methods.

or perhaps you don't think all the shit we are pumping into the environment (in liquid, solid and gaseous forms) is a big issue. the fact that there is nary a metropolis with clean air, nary a river with drinkable water and a garbage collection the size of Texas floating in the South Pacific must not be a big deal to you. I guess it means nothing that we will be able to navigate the Arctic in the next decade, Bangladesh will lose a high percentage of its fresh water as salt water creeps into the delta due to rising tides etc...etc...etc...

keep highlighting the one or two areas that may be up for questioning, ignore the thousands upon thousands of areas where they nailed it. keep it a semantic argument, keep on truckin!!!

oh to be willfully ignorant!

Al Gore is my hero too.

[TainanCowboy]

Oh...and then there is this...

Sixteen prominent scientists publish a letter in WSJ saying there’s “No Need to Panic About Global Warming”
"Signed by:

Claude Allegre, former director of the Institute for the Study of the Earth, University of Paris; J. Scott Armstrong, cofounder of the Journal of Forecasting and the International Journal of Forecasting; Jan Breslow, head of the Laboratory of Biochemical Genetics and Metabolism, Rockefeller University; Roger Cohen, fellow, American Physical Society; Edward David, member, National Academy of Engineering and National Academy of Sciences; William Happer, professor of physics, Princeton; Michael Kelly, professor of technology, University of Cambridge, U.K.; William Kininmonth, former head of climate research at the Australian Bureau of Meteorology; Richard Lindzen, professor of atmospheric sciences, MIT; James McGrath, professor of chemistry, Virginia Technical University; Rodney Nichols, former president and CEO of the New York Academy of Sciences; Burt Rutan, aerospace engineer, designer of Voyager and SpaceShipOne; Harrison H. Schmitt, Apollo 17 astronaut and former U.S. senator; Nir Shaviv, professor of astrophysics, Hebrew University, Jerusalem; Henk Tennekes, former director, Royal Dutch Meteorological Service; Antonio Zichichi, president of the World Federation of Scientists, Geneva.

the WSJ article is here

Oh, and they pretty much debunk all the CO2 nonsense....

[finley]

As DD just said, the "CO2 nonsense" is irrelevant anyway. Pollution and energy use in general are completely out of control. CO2 emissions are just one particular manifestation of that. If you're looking for a hoax, the one-dimensional focus on CO2 to the exclusion of all else is it. Sadly, if policymakers were to focus attention back onto the more general issue of technology/energy misuse, the CO2 problem (assuming there is one) would resolve all by itself. It's not something you can fix without addressing the underlying issues, as most "advanced" countries are now starting to discover after tipping billions into a well-intentioned black hole for the last decade or so.

[Deuce Dropper]

Al Gore is my hero too.

thanks for posting, be sure to pick up your participation medal on the way out.
*pats head*
'there there'

[Mick]

Oh, and they pretty much debunk all the CO2 nonsense....

They debunk the CO2 "nonsense", my my, thats impressive. Or it would be if there were any truth to that claim. No surprise to see Richard Lindzen's name on the list, he's been arguing that the additional feedbacks from water vapor, which consitute the majority of projected warming is overstated for years, he does not claim Co2 is not going to cause warming and openly states it should have already done, only not at levels we should panic about. Your article even says as much.

But the warming is only missing if one believes computer models where so-called feedbacks involving water vapor and clouds greatly amplify the small effect of CO2.

I even linked to scientists on the skeptical side who state this is their position, including Richard Linzden. I'm not sure at what point the Republican party became one of anti science, it's kind of embarrassing to watch and must be tough on politicians like Gringrich and Romney have to now appear to be stupider than they actually are, by dropping a chapter in a book and doing a change of track with regards climate change. Then again you dont know if you should laugh, cringe or cry when you hear such ignorance from supposedly intelligent people like Ron Paul say evolution is "just a theory", (note, if the idiocy of that statement isn't obviously apparent, please Google it, there are plenty of people who have gone into detail, describing exactly what a scientific theory is and isn't. hint hint, it's not the same as a wild guess).

[fred smith]

What is truly amazing to me is not fox news' ability to hoodwink texans into climate change denial heresy but how it manages to control the governments of canada Russia japan india and china to derail efforts to fight the greatest threat to the planet. Given that acting urgently is of the essence I implore gore (like the jesse jackson rhyme?) To sell one of his three megamansions. They certainly cannot be good for mother earth. Funny gores name never comes up during protests of the one percent. Wonder why...

[tomthorne]

Most individuals, businesses and governments couldn't give a fuck about climate change, over-population, or habitat destruction.

It's difficult to see any kind of solution other than some forced Malthusian thinning of the herd. I'm banking on only the genetically superior surviving

[TainanCowboy]

Mick -
Glad you agree with the nonsense of the CO2 scam.

As to:

I'm not sure at what point the Republican party became one of anti science, it's kind of embarrassing to watch and must be tough on politicians like Gringrich(SP?) and Romney have to now appear to be stupider than they actually are, by dropping a chapter in a book and doing a change of track with regards climate change.

I really fail to see the relevance of a comment such as this - except to reveal yet another attempt at diversion from the thread topic? Maybe its a subconscious thing - you don't even know you're doing it?
Bringing Ron Paul into this? Now thats just weird.

The flawed "science" just continues to be exposed. More full-disclosure of the emails of Michael E. Mann are being sought to show his failure to include all his research findings.

"The American Tradition Institute (ATI) is going after 12,000 emails sent or received by Michael E. Mann while he was on the staff of the publicly-funded university. Mr. Mann is famous for coming up with one of the “tricks” used to “hide the decline” in global temperatures. On Wednesday, ATI released a small selection of emails it hopes will convince a Prince William County judge that full disclosure of the rest is in the public interest."

From the beginning it as been a funding scam based on incomplete research, unsupported conclusions and "academic" collusion. And along the way it has been converted into a "religion" that has made some people very wealthy...algore.

EDITORIAL: Global warming’s ‘dirty laundry’ - University of Virginia should disclose climate emails

Excellent comments to this editorial. The lack of scientific method in the whole GW/AGW/CC thing is discussed...again.