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Re: I feel sick. And thoroughly ashamed for the SOBs.

Postby Alkibiades » 29 Mar 2012, 23:54

Rockefeller wrote:
Iraqis still considered dangerous infiltrators in the eyes of Americans.



That's a tidy little summary of the situation.
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Postby GuyInTaiwan » 30 Mar 2012, 07:49

I don't see what relevance the motive has to do with this. Murder is murder, regardless of whether it was racially motivated, motivated by "honour"/religion or anything else. I am opposed to the notion of hate crimes on the basis that the entire concept is stupid. At some level, other than in situations of self-defence, hurting (or even killing) someone else is motivated by hate.
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Postby Rockefeller » 30 Mar 2012, 16:47

GuyInTaiwan wrote:I don't see what relevance the motive has to do with this. Murder is murder, regardless of whether it was racially motivated, motivated by "honour"/religion or anything else. I am opposed to the notion of hate crimes on the basis that the entire concept is stupid. At some level, other than in situations of self-defence, hurting (or even killing) someone else is motivated by hate.


Will someone please tell him what difference it makes for people when it's bias-motivated murder?
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Postby Chris » 30 Mar 2012, 18:57

In both cases, an innocent person was murdered. Justice must prevail.
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Postby jdsmith » 30 Mar 2012, 19:05

Chris wrote:In both cases, an innocent person was murdered. Justice must prevail.

I agree.

Zimmerman, according to the Sentinel report, later told police that he lost sight of Martin and was returning to his SUV when the teen approached him. The two exchanged words, according to Zimmerman, who said Martin then punched him in the nose.

On the ground, Zimmerman said he was repeatedly punched and had his head slammed into the sidewalk, according to the Sentinel report. He began yelling, he told police.

Previously released tapes of 911 calls included neighbors saying they had heard hearing screams -- though it wasn't clear whether they came from Zimmerman or Martin.

Mary Cutcher told CNN on Monday that she and Selma Mora Lamilla were in a kitchen nearby when they "heard a whining, someone in distress, and then the gunshot."
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Postby sandman » 30 Mar 2012, 19:18

jdsmith wrote:
Chris wrote:In both cases, an innocent person was murdered. Justice must prevail.

I agree.

Zimmerman, according to the Sentinel report, later told police that he lost sight of Martin and was returning to his SUV when the teen approached him. The two exchanged words, according to Zimmerman, who said Martin then punched him in the nose.

On the ground, Zimmerman said he was repeatedly punched and had his head slammed into the sidewalk, according to the Sentinel report. He began yelling, he told police.

Previously released tapes of 911 calls included neighbors saying they had heard hearing screams -- though it wasn't clear whether they came from Zimmerman or Martin.

Mary Cutcher told CNN on Monday that she and Selma Mora Lamilla were in a kitchen nearby when they "heard a whining, someone in distress, and then the gunshot."

What about the rest of the report -- at least the one that I read -- that upon being brought in, the clean-shaven, shaved-headed Zimmerman bore not a trace of grazing or bruising. Nothing, in fact to suggest that he had suffered any kind of assault at all. You also forgot to mention the part about the cops' excuse for not arresting him because he had "a squeaky-clean record," when a cursory investigation by the murdered child's father discovered that Zimmerman was in fact known to the police and has been previously convicted for offenses involving violence.
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Postby Chris » 30 Mar 2012, 19:25

The video also shows no trace of bruising, blood or anything, either on his face or the back of his head, to indicate that Zimmerman was attacked.

We all know what Zimmerman said. I don't find his statement convincing.
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Postby TheGingerMan » 30 Mar 2012, 19:31

Any self-appointed roaming freak with a gun holds not an ounce of credibility.
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Postby jdsmith » 30 Mar 2012, 19:46

Chris wrote:The video also shows no trace of bruising, blood or anything, either on his face or the back of his head, to indicate that Zimmerman was attacked.

We all know what Zimmerman said. I don't find his statement convincing.

That's why he was treated at the scene for a bloody/ broken nose and a cut to the back of the head?
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Postby sandman » 30 Mar 2012, 20:00

jdsmith wrote:
Chris wrote:The video also shows no trace of bruising, blood or anything, either on his face or the back of his head, to indicate that Zimmerman was attacked.

We all know what Zimmerman said. I don't find his statement convincing.

That's why he was treated at the scene for a bloody/ broken nose and a cut to the back of the head?

He was? Or the cops (who have already lied to the father about this fellow) SAID he was?
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