bob wrote:They may not have actually said "Stop following him," but their tone certainly implied that they DIDN"T want him to continue, or to put it another way, they wanted him to stop.
And? Is there evidence that he continued to follow after that?
bob wrote:You do seem to have a bias here, however.
I do. We all have a bias. You do, too. My bias is that I like the idea that the state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty of the crime charged. I love the presumption of innocence!
bob wrote:For example you keep saying that he had injuries consistent with having his head pounded on the concrete when actually what he appeared to have is scratches. Scratches that as far (as we know) he didn't even seek medical treatment for.
I don't think the photo of his bloody head looks like a few scratches. I've scratched my self many times and never bled like that... and I take aspirin, which thins my blood and retards coagulation.
Another thing that some seem to be forgetting or simply not understanding... One is not required to wait until on is actually seriously injured or dead before using force in defense of one's self.
bob wrote:What I definitely do take issue with though is the way the police seemed to be so eager to let go a person who's story was so lousy. He saw TM approaching him while fumbling in his pocket for something, and he remains on the phone talking quite calmly and didn't get his gun out immediately? It's nonsense.
That's not GZ's fault.
bob wrote:This is no fun if people just keep repeating statements that have already been quite successfully challenged.
There's the rub, though, no? I don't think some have made their case satisfactorily, just as some don't think my arguments are sound.
For the record:
Florida stalking law:
Section 784.048. STALKING; DEFINITIONS; PENALTIES. 1997.
(1) As used in this section, the term:
(a) "Harass" means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress in such person and serves no legitimate purpose.
(b) "Course of conduct" means a pattern a conduct composed of series of acts over a period of time, however short, evidencing a continuity of purpose. Constitutionally protected activity is not included within the meaning of "course of conduct." Such constitutionally protected activity includes picketing or other organized protests.
(c) "Credible threat" means a threat made with the intent to cause the person who is the target of the threat to reasonably fear for his or her safety. The threat must be against the life of, or a threat to cause bodily injury to, a person.
(2) Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows or harasses another person commits the offense of stalking, a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(3) Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows or harasses another person, and makes a credible threat with the intent to place that person in reasonable fear of death or bodily injury, commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(4) Any person who, after an injunction for protection against repeat violence pursuant to s. 784.046, or an injunction for protection against domestic violence pursuant to s. 741.30, or after any other court-imposed prohibition of conduct toward the subject person that person's property, knowingly, willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows or harasses another person commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(5) Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows or harasses a minor under 16 years of age commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, so. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(6) Any law enforcement officer may arrest, without a warrant, any person he or she has probable cause to believe has violated the provisions of this section.
I don't think GZ was stalking TM.