presidential election 2012: Romney v Obama

[SuperSneakyCow]

I say we vote the felon into office.

[Dr. McCoy]

The growing gap between rich and everyone else, and the largely right wing policies (which Romney endorses) that got your country into this mess is a hot topic. Romney is a springboard for this debate, irrespective of whether his particular tax records have anything useful to say.

One imagines that if Obama wins that this discussion of the gap between rich and everyone else will dry up much like one's interest in oh say any number of other principled positions. Wanna bet?

And he will take away everyone's guns. That was his diabolical plan from the start. Kill grandma and take away guns.

[Mucha Man]

The growing gap between rich and everyone else, and the largely right wing policies (which Romney endorses) that got your country into this mess is a hot topic. Romney is a springboard for this debate, irrespective of whether his particular tax records have anything useful to say.

One imagines that if Obama wins that this discussion of the gap between rich and everyone else will dry up much like one's interest in oh say any number of other principled positions. Wanna bet?

The only thing that's dried up Fred is my interest in debating you, and pretty much the entire Fcom right. This should not be confused with a lack of interest in my own positions, though it doesn't surprise me that understanding this is is a challenge for you.

[tommy525]

After watching the night before last nites late night with whats his face, the old guy in new york bout mitt. IM not sure id even buy a used car from the guy !!

Obama is gonna win, theres ZERO doubt bout it.

[johnny138]

The only thing that's dried up Fred is my interest in debating you, and pretty much the entire Fcom right. This should not be confused with a lack of interest in my own positions, though it doesn't surprise me that understanding this is is a challenge for you.

You have an interest in your own positions? Wow.

There is NO debate with liberals. Conservative ideas are presented but never addressed. Instead, there's namecalling, videos that are posted that aren't even watched, whining and moaning that links presented don't come from left-wing sites, and finally:

Conservatives just want them all to die!!

That's been the response to numerous conservative attempts at dialogue.

If that's the concept of "debate" that the left has then they're doing brilliantly.

[Chris]

Conservative ideas are presented here, but are rejected (or laughed away) because they have zero basis in reason or reality; they are often far too absurd to even be considered for rational inquiry. Most of those who defend such conservative ideas have proven unwilling or unable to engage in rational debate. (There are a few notable exceptions, but their voices get drowned out here.)

The political threads far too often degrade into circle-jerks of right-wing bluster and absurdity, laden with personal attacks against liberal members. That's why I grew tired of debating them long ago; one cannot reason with those who do not apply reason. Instead, now I prefer to push their buttons for my amusement.

[BigJohn]

Conservative ideas are presented here, but are rejected (or laughed away) because they have zero basis in reason or reality; they are often far too absurd to even be considered for rational inquiry. Most of those who defend such conservative ideas have proven unwilling or unable to engage in rational debate. (There are a few notable exceptions, but their voices get drowned out here.)

The political threads far too often degrade into circle-jerks of right-wing bluster and absurdity, laden with personal attacks against liberal members. That's why I grew tired of debating them long ago; one cannot reason with those who do not apply reason. Instead, now I prefer to push their buttons for my amusement.

I disagree. Conservative opinions do have value. It's just that rowdy religious right-wing Republican opinions are obnoxious.

[Mucha Man]

The only thing that's dried up Fred is my interest in debating you, and pretty much the entire Fcom right. This should not be confused with a lack of interest in my own positions, though it doesn't surprise me that understanding this is is a challenge for you.

You have an interest in your own positions? Wow.

There is NO debate with liberals. Conservative ideas are presented but never addressed. Instead, there's namecalling, videos that are posted that aren't even watched, whining and moaning that links presented don't come from left-wing sites, and finally:

Conservatives just want them all to die!!

That's been the response to numerous conservative attempts at dialogue.

If that's the concept of "debate" that the left has then they're doing brilliantly.

I am not left wing and neither are most of the people you repeatedly label as such. I was quite interested in conservative ideas in the 90s but have seen that most of them don't work, or create unappealing consequences. I was and am appalled by the anti-science bias in American conservatism. So I am liberal by trial and error.

I have little interest in debate with Fcom's republicans because I watched them all sell out their principles during the bush years and then try to do a 180 once O got in power. There is no debate with partisans who care only for their party to be in power and not their values realized.

There are plenty of conservatives who see what a reactionary obstructionary near fanatical party the Republicans have become. I can debate with such people. But if you think global warming is a hoax, universal health care is incompatable with conservatism, lower taxes always leads to growth and is the solution to America's current problem, union's are scum, government is always the problem, and liberals by definition are incapable of honest debate then I have no time for you.

[Pop Fly]

The only thing that's dried up Fred is my interest in debating you, and pretty much the entire Fcom right. This should not be confused with a lack of interest in my own positions, though it doesn't surprise me that understanding this is is a challenge for you.

You have an interest in your own positions? Wow.

There is NO debate with liberals. Conservative ideas are presented but never addressed. Instead, there's namecalling, videos that are posted that aren't even watched, whining and moaning that links presented don't come from left-wing sites, and finally:

Conservatives just want them all to die!!

That's been the response to numerous conservative attempts at dialogue.

If that's the concept of "debate" that the left has then they're doing brilliantly.

Let's bet then. You take The Stormin' Mormon and I got the incumbent. Name your wager or skulk quietly from the room. If you so believe in your man, why not seize the day and make a few bucks? Whatsa matter? You yeller?

[Chris]

I disagree. Conservative opinions do have value. It's just that rowdy religious right-wing Republican opinions are obnoxious.

Yeah. The problem is that the term "conservative" can be interpreted in different ways. To me, the term is an operational definition reflecting the politics of the Republican Party, whose ideas are have been pushed to the extremes of far-right ideology. Gone are the days of Goldwater and even Reagan conservatism, which included within their scopes some degree of rationality. Now it's the conservatism of Limbaugh, Perry, Bachmann and the Koch brothers.