Why Some People Leave South Africa

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Re: Why Some Foreigners Leave South Africa

Postby Gao Bohan » 25 Jul 2012, 03:28

bismarck wrote:
"No one is born hating another person because of the colour of his skin, or his background, or his religion. People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love, for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite."
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Indeed. What a horrible man.


There's a trend among the far right that, whenever Mandela is brought up, they giggle with contrarianism and start chittering about what a horrible terrorist he was. Some of these clowns post regularly in South Africa-themed threads and this one is no exception.

It's been said again and again: Mandela used violence to fight oppression; when liberty was achieved, he succesfully advocated for a peaceful reconciliation. Christ! What a bloodbath it could have been if Mandela was really the monster that the far right thinks he was.
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Re: Why Some People Leave South Africa

Postby Battery9 » 25 Jul 2012, 07:37

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J34VyWDnh-Q

F.W de Klerk and Mandela before the elections.
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Why Some People Leave South Africa

Postby headhonchoII » 25 Jul 2012, 07:49

'Both De Klerk and Mandela insist there is 'something bigger going on''

What a great quote. Thousands of people died in violence political events, vast majority black on black, between 1990 and 1993. Mandela helped to skillfully steered the country through this very difficult period and although violence is still present there and there are issues the country settled down enough to host the World Cup just a few years ago. What a great achievement. Somebody said he can't compare to the dalai llama or aung sum Kim, but he had to deal with so many practical challenges and did a great job in the end.

The ANC on the other hand have failed to raise the living standards of enough people so squatter camps and poverty is still rampant there. Although a lot of people in the squatter camps seem to be illegal migrants now, so it is also a pan African issue.
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Re: Why Some Foreigners Leave South Africa

Postby bismarck » 25 Jul 2012, 10:41

Gao Bohan wrote:
bismarck wrote:
"No one is born hating another person because of the colour of his skin, or his background, or his religion. People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love, for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite."
- Nelson R Mandela

Indeed. What a horrible man.


There's a trend among the far right that, whenever Mandela is brought up, they giggle with contrarianism and start chittering about what a horrible terrorist he was. Some of these clowns post regularly in South Africa-themed threads and this one is no exception.

It's been said again and again: Mandela used violence to fight oppression; when liberty was achieved, he succesfully advocated for a peaceful reconciliation. Christ! What a bloodbath it could have been if Mandela was really the monster that the far right thinks he was.

Well said! :thumbsup: :bravo:

headhonchoII wrote:The ANC on the other hand have failed to raise the living standards of enough people so squatter camps and poverty is still rampant there. Although a lot of people in the squatter camps seem to be illegal migrants now, so it is also a pan African issue.

Yeah, from recent arrivals I've heard that illegal immigration is becoming a very big problem there, and Nigerians especially are a huge problem. Good luck to them.
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Re: Why Some People Leave South Africa

Postby E04teacherlin » 27 Jul 2012, 01:54

Chris wrote:
E04teacherlin wrote:I'm just concerned that if Nelson Mandela was indeed on the US terror watch list and only taken of when he turned 90, as El Toro stated, why didn't they arrest him in 1990 when he visited the US?

I thought the Terror Watch List was a post-9/11 thing. 1990 was even before the 1993 WTC bombing.

I also posted a link to an article which you didn't read. Read that first. The terror watch list is NOT a post 9/11 thing.
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Re: Why Some People Leave South Africa

Postby bismarck » 27 Jul 2012, 02:21

Here are a few reasons why many people leave South Africa (of all races, colours and creeds): Analysis: Dear Mr Zuma & the ANC, how long do you need?

The comments are also rather enlightening.
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Re: Why Some People Leave South Africa

Postby tommy525 » 27 Jul 2012, 14:49

HOrrible crimes happen everywhere but are they just that little bit more vicious in SA?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... other.html
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMCMjEb68ds
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Re: Why Some People Leave South Africa

Postby bismarck » 27 Jul 2012, 15:12

tommy525 wrote:HOrrible crimes happen everywhere but are they just that little bit more vicious in SA?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... other.html

In the one picture you see Radebe smiling, and all three were apparently smiling on their way back to the cells. That's the big difference. Hugely horrible crimes committed with zero remorse.
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Re: Why Some People Leave South Africa

Postby bigduke6 » 27 Jul 2012, 16:20

Wait till you see the sentence. Then they will be really smiling. Probably "Life", which will actually be 20 years, out in 10. :fume:

A slow death for these animals is whats needed. Like when Mason Verger planned to feed Hannibal the Cannibal to the pigs, feet first, making sure a doctor was on hand to keep him alive as long as possible. :raspberry:

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Re: Why Some People Leave South Africa

Postby bigduke6 » 27 Jul 2012, 16:23

tommy525 wrote:HOrrible crimes happen everywhere but are they just that little bit more vicious in SA?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... other.html


The Travyn Masters case (Not sure if I got the name right), would not have made the newspapers.
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