Obama: If you own a business, you didn't make that!

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Obama: If you own a business, you didn't make that!

Postby SuperSneakyCow » 21 Jul 2012, 17:35

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ccess.html

This is amazing. Obama says the rich are not responsible for their wealth. I don't know how they do it in the jungle deserts of Kenya, but in the U.S. of A we Americans all work on our own to create our OWN wealth. Kill all socialists.

Personally, I think we should privatize all schools, roads, fire insurance, police departments, prisons, military, news, and government.

What do you guys think?
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Re: Obama: If you own a business, you didn't make that!

Postby Chris » 21 Jul 2012, 17:39

Wrong.

He was talking about the roads and bridges, which you'd realize if you actually listen to his speech in context.

Privatize fire departments and police? That would be an insanely destructive idea. Crime and corruption would skyrocket; fires would burn out of control.

I think you're trolling. Or Poe-ing.

EDIT: Well, having read some of your other posts, I conclude you're Poe-ing. (Poe's Law)

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Re: Obama: If you own a business, you didn't make that!

Postby Belgian Pie » 21 Jul 2012, 17:39

but in the U.S. of A we Americans all work on our own to create our OWN wealth. Kill all socialists.


:roflmao: Really?

For 10's of millions the American dream is just that ... a dream!
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Re: Obama: If you own a business, you didn't make that!

Postby SuperSneakyCow » 21 Jul 2012, 18:19

Chris wrote:Wrong.

He was talking about the roads and bridges, which you'd realize if you actually listen to his speech in context.

Privatize fire departments and police? That would be an insanely destructive idea. Crime and corruption would skyrocket; fires would burn out of control.

I think you're trolling. Or Poe-ing.


You mean, being a cow, or a DIE HARD RED BLOODED 'MERICAN.
And about the fire departments? That's ridiculous. If you privatize fire departments they'll put out fires faster, and more efficiently. Let the free market take care of fires.

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Re: Obama: If you own a business, you didn't make that!

Postby johnny138 » 21 Jul 2012, 18:39

Chris wrote:Wrong.

He was talking about the roads and bridges, which you'd realize if you actually listen to his speech in context.


Nothing was taken out of context. I read the whole speech and it made it worse.

Obama made it very clear that if you had a successful business, it was due to everyone else supposedly building roads, dams, etc. Except only people that PAY TAXES paid to build those roads, dams, etc. The rest just freeload off the work paid for by others.

And even if there are roads, etc., that does NOT mean "everyone" is responsible for someone's business success. It's ridiculous.

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So if the rich pay more in taxes to build those roads, etc., then did they pay for their own success? If so, why can't they take more credit?

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If you have a successful business but according to Obama you "didn't build that on your own" then is everyone else to blame for failed businesses? Or does that street only work one way?

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LOL. Here we go:

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In the speech, Obama gave numerous examples of people he knew that got government assistance along their paths to success. What about people who DID NOT get that help? Who's responsible for their success? Those who are actually in business will tell you that government red tape is a MAJOR hurdle to setting up and running a business. More government is a hindrance, not a help.

This speech was really eye opening. It very clearly shows just how far out left Obama really is.
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Re: Obama: If you own a business, you didn't make that!

Postby Dr. McCoy » 21 Jul 2012, 18:42

Obama wrote:There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.

I don't think you can blame people for believing that Obama insulted small business owners, because it is being presented that way on all the right wing news: Fox especially. Romney is running attack ads saying the same thing.

Romney has a big advantage with this kind of sleazy propaganda. Democrats take things out of context too, but it never gets the validation from the news networks that Fox gives to anything anti-Obama.
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Re: Obama: If you own a business, you didn't make that!

Postby Chris » 21 Jul 2012, 18:48

No man is an island. Everyone who ever succeeded did so because of some kind of help from others.

Don't read a transcript of the speech: you need to listen to the speech, with the intonations, pauses, etc., since it's part of the nature of human speech. Don't listen to Fox News's analysis, because they are lying to you. Listen to the speech.

His entire theme is that when people create things, it's because of human interaction. An inspirational teacher. Infrastructure that has been built.

Fox and the right wing sources are LYING TO YOU. Here's the truth of the matter (including the speech: pay attention to the CONTEXT):

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Re: Obama: If you own a business, you didn't make that!

Postby SuperSneakyCow » 21 Jul 2012, 18:49

Dr. McCoy wrote:Romney has a big advantage with this kind of sleazy propaganda. Democrats take things out of context too

I do not recall...

Chris wrote:Fox and the right wing sources are LYING TO YOU. Here's the truth of the matter (including the speech: pay attention to the CONTEXT):

Context? GOD DOESN'T BELIEVE IN CONTEXT.

johnny138 wrote:In the speech, Obama gave numerous examples of people he knew that got government assistance along their paths to success. What about people who DID NOT get that help? Who's responsible for their success?


Are you crazy? Me and my NRA buddies are planning to move our business to Bohmfawk Arkansas. No public roads, no police stations, and no fire departments in case our shit gets lit up. Just us, guns, and lots of fuckin bears. We'll make millions. You in?

johnny138 wrote:Obama made it very clear that if you had a successful business, it was due to everyone else supposedly building roads, dams, etc. Except only people that PAY TAXES paid to build those roads, dams, etc. The rest just freeload off the work paid for by others.


I mean, technically, everyone pays taxes, even illegal immigrants. Though I totally understand what you're saying (even though it's completely misleading)

Obama's such a socialist, even though his policies are more conservative than Reagan. What a bum.
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Re: Obama: If you own a business, you didn't make that!

Postby Tempo Gain » 21 Jul 2012, 19:42

johnny138 wrote:
In the speech, Obama gave numerous examples of people he knew that got government assistance along their paths to success. What about people who DID NOT get that help? Who's responsible for their success? Those who are actually in business will tell you that government red tape is a MAJOR hurdle to setting up and running a business. More government is a hindrance, not a help.

This speech was really eye opening. It very clearly shows just how far out left Obama really is.


I call bullshit on this.

The wording "If you own a business, you didn't make that!" was pounced on here as too good to pass up.

That statement was 100% taken completely out of context. Obama's full statement was:

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.


He was talking about the roads and bridges etc. That's crystal clear.

However since Obama has tossed up this really great but unfortunately obvious misquote, of course the Republicans are going to come up with reasons why it means what they really want it to mean.

If Obama hadn't used that convenient wording, no one would be talking about this speech at all.
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Re: Obama: If you own a business, you didn't make that!

Postby ironlady » 22 Jul 2012, 04:48

It would put an entirely new spin on politics if we went back to the methods of the 1800s, when you had to actually read the whole speech (or attend it). These days, sound bytes are destroying the intelligence of everyone, and not just in the realm of politics -- though politics is infamous for their misuse.
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