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Postby tilkster » 08 Nov 2004, 12:59

With the aftermath of the election, there continues to be growing rumbles that things are not all that kosher on Nov 2. Do I believe that there was major fraud going on? Well, let's put it this way, I don't like Bush and so the following links make me feel a helluva lot better ...

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.ph ... ed&order=0

Chart showing Machine voting vs. Exit Polls - state by state:
http://www.mikemalloy.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=14667

There was also an interesting thing that was happening early on the evening of Nov 2nd. The press following the Bush camp noted that there was a bit of a panic among insiders while those around the Kerry camp were ecstatic early evening. Were the internal numbers/exit polls were showing both camps that Kerry was going to win the presidency...? Suddenly, at the end of the night - Bush wins.

Was this a legit election? Is it possible that this election was not on the up and up?

Martin in Luzhou.
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Postby kingjk » 08 Nov 2004, 20:38

I am curious to know if anyone thinks the candidate they supported (i.e. not the other guy) would take advantage of dirty tricks if the opportunity presented itself. Given what was at stake, do you feel that your candidate would have been justified in using whatever means available in order to win?

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Postby flike » 09 Nov 2004, 01:08

kingjk wrote:I am curious to know if anyone thinks the candidate they supported (i.e. not the other guy) would take advantage of dirty tricks if the opportunity presented itself.


Well, it depends on your definition of 'dirty', no? Got one?

kingjk wrote:Given what was at stake, do you feel that your candidate would have been justified in using whatever means available in order to win?

Thanks.


No. It is rarely true that the ends justifies any means.

That said, I do believe that the final judgment of the US electorate was to reward Bush as the candidate who would be most likely to use whatever means available to defend a traditional definition of American national security.
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Postby cake » 09 Nov 2004, 01:27

http://www.votergate.tv/

"Votergate is the investigative documentary feature film uncovering the truth about new computer voting systems, which allow a few powerful corporations to record our votes in secret."

watch a 30 min snippet of the dvd.
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Postby cake » 09 Nov 2004, 01:53

"War is just a racket. I helped make Mexico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for international banking in 1909-1912. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested" - Major General Smedley Butler
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Postby Flipper » 09 Nov 2004, 02:02

tilkster wrote:With the aftermath of the election, there continues to be growing rumbles that things are not all that kosher on Nov 2. Do I believe that there was major fraud going on? Well, let's put it this way, I don't like Bush and so the following links make me feel a helluva lot better ...

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.ph ... ed&order=0

Chart showing Machine voting vs. Exit Polls - state by state:
http://www.mikemalloy.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=14667

There was also an interesting thing that was happening early on the evening of Nov 2nd. The press following the Bush camp noted that there was a bit of a panic among insiders while those around the Kerry camp were ecstatic early evening. Were the internal numbers/exit polls were showing both camps that Kerry was going to win the presidency...? Suddenly, at the end of the night - Bush wins.

Was this a legit election? Is it possible that this election was not on the up and up?

Martin in Luzhou.


notice he did not include graphs for virginia or south carolina. both of which exit polls had kerry winning in direct contrast to pre-election polls. notice also pennsylvania where exit polls showed a 20 point kerry lead. not even the most partisan dem poll this year EVER had kerry up that much in penn.

so instead of accepting that the exit polls might just be wrong, hysterical dems are pushing a conspiracy theory about vote rigging.

reminds me of all those bloggers like kos who still refuse to believe that the cbs docs were fake. some people can convince themselves of anything.
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Postby cake » 09 Nov 2004, 02:06

Flipper wrote: some people can convince themselves of anything.


like saddam will send nukes and dirty bombs to the cities of the usa. like saddam was behind 9/11, etc etc etc etc etc
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Postby Flipper » 09 Nov 2004, 02:07

cake wrote:"Kerry Won. Here are the Facts."

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=392&row=0


how can any guy who complains that the exit polls were "contaminated" by actual vote tallies be taken seriously? :roll:
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Postby Flipper » 09 Nov 2004, 02:10

cake wrote:
Flipper wrote: some people can convince themselves of anything.


like Saddam will send nukes and dirty bombs to the cities of the USA. like Saddam was behind 9/11, etc etc etc etc etc


yes, cake, your fantasy that the election was rigged is as deluded as those who think saddam was the mastermind behind 9/11.
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Postby Tetsuo » 09 Nov 2004, 02:13

Quick question - what's wrong with, you know, ticking the box for the candidate you want to vote for? No hanging chads, no possible electronic fraud, and easy as hell to actually verify.
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