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Political Satire and Political Jokes - Part 3

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Re: Political Satire and Political Jokes - Part 3

Postby Winston Smith » 16 Jun 2012, 10:28

Nobody is arguing against the right of legitimate self-defense. If the facts show Zimmerman was defending himself from death or serious bodily injury rather than making false claims to cover up the fact that he was retaliating with deadly force after losing a fist fight then he was within his rights.
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Re: Political Satire and Political Jokes - Part 3

Postby Tigerman » 16 Jun 2012, 16:38

Winston Smith wrote:If the facts show Zimmerman was defending himself from death or serious bodily injury rather than making false claims to cover up the fact that he was retaliating with deadly force after losing a fist fight then he was within his rights.


The law is simple, yet you and others continue to misunderstand it.

1. GZ does not need to show that he was defending himself from death or serious bodily injury. He needs only show that he had a reasonable fear of imminent death or serious bodily injury. That's all.

2. The prosecution, not GZ, must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that GZ was retaliating with deadly force after losing a fist fight in order to get GZ convicted of 2nd degree murder.
As it is, we seem to regard it as a positive objection to a reasoner that he has taken one side or the other. We regard it (in other words) as a positive objection to a reasoner that he has contrived to reach the object of his reasoning. We call a man a bigot or a slave of dogma because he is a thinker who has thought thoroughly and to a definite end.

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Re: Political Satire and Political Jokes - Part 3

Postby Winston Smith » 16 Jun 2012, 16:50

Tigerman wrote:
Winston Smith wrote:If the facts show Zimmerman was defending himself from death or serious bodily injury rather than making false claims to cover up the fact that he was retaliating with deadly force after losing a fist fight then he was within his rights.


The law is simple, yet you and others continue to misunderstand it.

1. GZ does not need to show that he was defending himself from death or serious bodily injury. He needs only show that he had a reasonable fear of imminent death or serious bodily injury. That's all.

2. The prosecution, not GZ, must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that GZ was retaliating with deadly force after losing a fist fight in order to get GZ convicted of 2nd degree murder.


The context of my statement about rights and the fact that no one was contesting the legitimate right to self-defense was:

Tigerman wrote:Obviously I am remarking on the fact that the concept of the right of self defense has existed since Roman times and that as far as I know, all common law nations have long adopted the same.


:not the narrower context of Florida's Stand Your Ground statute.
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Re: Political Satire and Political Jokes - Part 3

Postby Tigerman » 17 Jun 2012, 10:10

Winston Smith wrote:The context of my statement about rights and the fact that no one was contesting the legitimate right to self-defense was:

Tigerman wrote:Obviously I am remarking on the fact that the concept of the right of self defense has existed since Roman times and that as far as I know, all common law nations have long adopted the same.


:not the narrower context of Florida's Stand Your Ground statute.


IMO, the facts, as we now know them, support GZ's story under either SD or SYG. SYG is simply a modification of SD.
As it is, we seem to regard it as a positive objection to a reasoner that he has taken one side or the other. We regard it (in other words) as a positive objection to a reasoner that he has contrived to reach the object of his reasoning. We call a man a bigot or a slave of dogma because he is a thinker who has thought thoroughly and to a definite end.

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Re: Political Satire and Political Jokes - Part 3

Postby Dr. McCoy » 20 Jul 2012, 20:08

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Re: Political Satire and Political Jokes - Part 3

Postby Dr. McCoy » 21 Jul 2012, 22:36

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Re: Political Satire and Political Jokes - Part 3

Postby Tigerman » 22 Aug 2012, 15:58

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Re: Political Satire and Political Jokes - Part 3

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Re: Political Satire and Political Jokes - Part 3

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Re: Political Satire and Political Jokes - Part 3

Postby the chief » 07 Sep 2012, 10:01

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