Republicans Need Cuckoo part II

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Re: Republicans Need Cuckoo part II

Postby Chris » 10 Mar 2011, 14:53

housecat wrote:it just doesn't hold that all Republicans are lieing freedom-haters.

Maybe not all, but Republicans lie far more often than Democrats do. (Check out Politifact.com for some good records on who is more prone to lying.) That's why we barely notice when Republicans lie constantly over the course of their careers, but go nuts when, say, Bill Clinton says "I did not have sexual intercourse with that woman." We expect Republicans to lie.

As for freedom hating, the Republicans, having pledged to work on improving the job situation, have instead launched an all-out war on women, Muslims, gays and workers since coming into power. There is no doubt about what the Republicans are all about. They aren't about freedom; they aren't about the ordinary people.
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Re: Republicans Need Cuckoo part II

Postby Chris » 11 Mar 2011, 13:12

Peter King: the new McCarthy. He has launched a committee hearings into Muslims. Not terrorists. Not extremists. Muslims.

(Note: Peter King was a supporter and funder of another terrorist organization: the IRA.)



Muslims are the new Jews: the religion to be persecuted. I wonder what King's "final solution to the Muslim problem" will be? Sicko. :raspberry:
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Re: Republicans Need Cuckoo part II

Postby Gao Bohan » 11 Mar 2011, 23:42

Chris wrote:Peter King: the new McCarthy. He has launched a committee hearings into Muslims. Not terrorists. Not extremists. Muslims.


As usual, you are distorting the facts. The hearings are about radicalization among the American Muslim population...radicalized American Muslims have committed acts of terrorism in the US and against our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm not defending these hearings, but maybe for a change you could try approaching the conversation with a shred of intellectual honesty.
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Re: Republicans Need Cuckoo part II

Postby Chris » 12 Mar 2011, 00:06

Gao Bohan wrote:The hearings are about radicalization among the American Muslim population...

Radicalization among the American Muslim population? Puh... lease. This is what's called a solution looking for a problem. :roll: All those radicalized American Muslims, like... Osama bin Laden... wait, he's not American... Richard Reid... wait, he's British... the 9/11 conspirators... uhh, Saudis. Uhhhh, who, exactly, are these Americans?

Far more terrorism has taken place in the US by radicalized American Christians in the last couple decades. For instance, Eric Rudolph, Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, Scott Roeder, James Kopp, James von Brunn, Buford Furrow, Bruce Turnidge, Joshua Turnidge...

Peter King should carry out an investigation into white Christian men instead. They seem to be much more dangerous. (But then he'd have to investigate himself, what with supporting the effin' IRA.)
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Re: Republicans Need Cuckoo part II

Postby Gao Bohan » 12 Mar 2011, 00:31

Chris wrote:Uhhhh, who, exactly, are these Americans?


Here's one.

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Nidal Malik Hasan (born September 8, 1970), a U.S. Army Major, is the sole suspect in the November 5, 2009, Fort Hood shooting, which occurred less than a month before he would have deployed to Afghanistan.[1][2][3]

A Muslim born in Virginia to parents who had emigrated from Jordan[4] and moved to the U.S. from a Palestinian town near Jerusalem,[5] Hasan joined the Army while in college and became a psychiatrist at Fort Hood, Texas. Prior to the shooting, he had expressed extremist views which had been brought to the attention of his superiors and the FBI. Hasan was discovered to have exchanged e-mails with Imam Anwar al-Awlaki asking for spiritual guidance regarding violence. Awlaki has since been linked to other attacks by radicalized Muslims, and he quickly blessed the Fort Hood operation because it was against a military target. Al Qaeda spokesman Adam Gadahn also praised the "Mujahid brother" as a "pioneer, a trailblazer and a role-model."[6]


Here's another.

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John Phillip Walker Lindh (born February 9, 1981) is an American citizen who was captured as an enemy combatant during the United States' 2001 invasion of Afghanistan. He is now serving a 20-year prison sentence in connection with his participation in Afghanistan's Taliban army. He was captured during the Battle of Qala-i-Jangi, a violent Taliban prison uprising where American CIA officer Johnny "Mike" Spann was killed.

Lindh received training at Al-Farouq, a training camp associated with Al-Qaeda and located in Afghanistan. There, he attended a lecture by Osama bin Laden before the September 11, 2001 attacks. Lindh had previously received training with Harkat-ul-Mujahideen, an internationally designated terrorist organization based in Pakistan.[1][2][3][4]


Radicalization among Muslim youth in the US and other Western countries is a well documented phenomenon. I don't agree with these hearings, since this kind of investigation should be carried out behind closed doors by intelligence and law enforcement agencies (in regards to any potential domestic threat), but your Nazi references are asinine. You seem determined to demonize Republicans in any way you can.
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Re: Republicans Need Cuckoo part II

Postby Chris » 12 Mar 2011, 00:43

Lindh wasn't a terrorist, and he didn't fight on American soil. And the Fort Hood shooting was not an act of terrorism, though Fox News labeled it as such because he was a Muslim (had Harris and Klebold been Muslims, the Columbine killings would have been called terrorists by Fox News).

Radicalization among far-right nuts in the US is a far greater threat to American freedom than any Muslim terrorist is.
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Re: Republicans Need Cuckoo part II

Postby Gao Bohan » 12 Mar 2011, 01:05

Chris wrote:Lindh wasn't a terrorist, and he didn't fight on American soil.


I don't see how that's relevant. Congress is not limited to investigating matters of domestic security; our interests abroad, including the well being of our soldiers, are well within the mandate of Congress. Radicalization among American Muslims is a threat both at home and abroad.

And the Fort Hood shooting was not an act of terrorism, though Fox News labeled it as such because he was a Muslim (had Harris and Klebold been Muslims, the Columbine killings would have been called terrorists by Fox News).


I pulled this definition of terrorism from the internet:

The calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear.


I'd say the Ft. Hood shooting fits that definition. As the Wikipedia link stated, Hasan came into contact with Anwar al-Awlaki, a terrorist and prime enemy of the US, and then committed the killings for ideological purposes.

Radicalization among far-right nuts in the US is a far greater threat to American freedom than any Muslim terrorist is.


Are you under the impression that the government has never investigated far right terrorism? I would hope the government is constantly investigating and assessing potential threats, both foreign and domestic. The evidence suggests this is the case. I can remember the government stating a dramatic increase in the number and membership of far right groups when Obama was elected. How would the government know this if such groups were not under surveillance? :ponder:
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Re: Republicans Need Cuckoo part II

Postby Chris » 12 Mar 2011, 12:57

King's hearings are unnecessary because the idea that Muslims in America are being radicalized is bogus. There may be a lone nut or two, but it's not a trend. Muslims came to America to escape the oppression of the old country. (If there's anything that would radicalize American Muslims, it's persecution such as King's, or the recent Yorba Linda mosque protest carried out by sick Teabagger bigots.)

King said "There are too many mosques". His exact quote; then he tried to lie about it. He is on a McCarthy-like crusade against Muslims. Looks like it backfired on him big-time. He has been politically damaged. Good.



Hateful Teabaggers tell Muslim families and children attending charity event in Yorba Linda to "Go back home".
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Re: Republicans Need Cuckoo part II

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Re: Republicans Need Cuckoo part II

Postby Vorkosigan » 12 Mar 2011, 18:05

Gao Bohan wrote:The calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear.

I'd say the Ft. Hood shooting fits that definition. As the Wikipedia link stated, Hasan came into contact with Anwar al-Awlaki, a terrorist and prime enemy of the US, and then committed the killings for ideological purposes.


Hasan attacked serving troops, your definition calls for attacks on CIVILIANS.

Radicalization among American muslims is so rare that you can only find two cases that even approximate it. Whereas we can be here all day listing right-wing Christian hate and terror groups that both threaten to act and act violently against civilians, your definition to a T.
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