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Re: Thread for pics & video of the G20 riots in Toronto

Postby Jaboney » 28 Jun 2010, 23:40

Wow. Lots of good links from Kinsella today.

Here's a video that everyone pissed off over the idiots in black should watch.
A peaceful crowd of protestors is standing around, singing O Canada. As soon as they finish, the riot squad charges:
http://vimeo.com/12908820
Here's an overhead view:

Staff Superintendent Jeff McGuire of the Toronto Police Service held a press conference to address questions about police actions this evening at Queen and Spadina. He said that police took the actions that they did (roughly: charging the crowd and detaining many people for hours on site without charge or explanation) because they have received information that Black Bloc protesters were in the crowd as well as "people who chose not to disassociate themselves" from them


This editorial strikes me as spot on. A childhood buddy, now in the RCMP, was on duty in T.O. I'll be interested in his take.

Toronto Star wrote:G20 EDITORIAL: BRUTAL SPECTACLE FAILED A CITY AND ITS PEOPLE
June 28, 2010
John Cruickshank

The G20 security strategy has been spectacularly successful at cocooning the world’s leading politicians and staggeringly ineffective at protecting the property and peace of mind of Torontonians. And the one, inevitably, led to the other.

By bringing in thousands of heavily armed strangers and throwing up barricades everywhere to regular traffic, frightening off good and decent citizens, Canadian authorities created a ghost town in the heart of our city.

Perfect for the political leaders. Protesters were kept blocks away from where the deliberations were going on.

And most protesters conducted themselves faultlessly as the global good and great met behind rings of gulag-like fencing and battalions of police beating Plexiglas shields with batons in a primitive show of might.

It was, however, less than perfect for the city, its businesses and its inhabitants. The only force that can prevent vandalism and mayhem in a city is the presence of its population. Surely that was the lesson every urban planner learned from looking south to the hollowed-out urban war zones of the United States in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s.

No police force, no matter how large, how well armed, how empowered to limit the civil rights of citizens, can stop vandalism in the empty shell of a city. Canadian authorities have proved that two days and nights running.

The strategy that ensured G20 leaders would never have to see a Canadian who wasn’t a politician, a police officer or a waiter lacked even a glimmer of common sense when it came to the security of Toronto and Torontonians.

They took our city to hold a meeting and bullied us out of the core, damaging the commerce of thousands of merchants and inconveniencing the entire population. Then, they failed to protect our property. Along Yonge St., as self-described anarchists were smashing stores unopposed, terrified merchants and their staffs sought shelter behind counters and in basements. If these establishments had been set alight, all of the thousands of fearsomely equipped police would have been able to do little more to save our citizens than they did to save their burning cruisers.

For the last few days, the city has looked like a vast reality TV set, where heavily garbed gladiators in black, burdened under bullet-proof vests, guns, walkie-talkies, shields and batons, try to chase down a wild, quick-footed band of anti-gladiators in black sweat suits and bandanas. And it cost us $1.2-billion to stage and choreograph this grossly unequal contest.

Canadian authorities knew that this overweening show of paramilitary hubris would draw the violent dregs of nihilism from around the world. Previous summits offered stark and certain warnings. Given that, the attempt to provide security for the city and its inhabitants has been a sad and disturbing failure.

What is the critical lesson?

Don’t even try to hold international political conferences with this kind of explosive ideological charge in the heart of a major urban centre. You sacrifice either the safety of the politicians or the safety of the city.

The idea that this was an effective way to show off Toronto to foreign guests is bewilderingly stupid.

Canadian authorities created a city no citizen could recognize and no visitor could admire. Then, they allowed a pack of brutes to trash it.


In another move to bring the RCMP and Toronto Metro Police a well-deserved black eye:
(Steve Paikin is a very serious, well-respected journalist.)

CBC wrote:Freelance journalist Jesse Rosenfeld says police beat him Saturday night in Toronto as he covered a G20 demonstration.

A second journalist who witnessed the incident said it was "not a great night for democracy."

Steve Paikin, host of TVO's The Agenda public affairs show, was watching protesters on a downtown Toronto street, the Esplanade, on Saturday night.

In a message posted on Twitter, Paikin wrote that the demonstration was peaceful. "It was like an old sit-in. No one was aggressive, and yet riot squad officers moved in."

Police told him to leave, and "as I was escorted away from the demonstration, I saw two officers hold a journalist."

"The journalist identified himself as working for the Guardian," Paikin tweeted. "He talked too much and pissed the police off. Two officers held him. A third punched him in the stomach. Totally unnecessary. The man collapsed. Then the third officer drove his elbow into the man's back."


The man was Rosenfeld, 26, a left-wing freelancer from Toronto who is now based in the Middle East.

"An officer came up to me, looked at my ID, my alternative media centre press pass and said: 'This isn't a legitimate press pass. Put him under arrest!'" Rosenfeld said.

"At which point I was immediately jumped and beaten. The officer grabbed my arm, ripped it behind my back. I was punched in the stomach to make me go down to the ground. I was being hit in the ribs.

"All the time I was saying 'I am not resisting arrest. I am a journalist. Why are you beating me?'"

According to Paikin, "this guy is about 5-foot-4, 140 pounds. I later spoke to his father and found out he's only got one kidney, and he's an asthmatic. Hard to see how he was a threat to anything."

"Not a great night for democracy in our city, the way I saw it."

Toronto police said Rosenfeld is welcome to file a complaint. He has hired a lawyer.

Rosenfeld was not the only person whose arrest perturbed Paikin.

On Sunday, he said he had heard from author and academic Valerie Zawilski. She had just been released from jail after being arrested for breaching peace during the Saturday night demonstration. "Gimme a break," Paikin tweeted.


Toronto Star wrote:A Toronto veterinarian says he awoke around 4 a.m. Saturday to the sight of a gun pointed at him by a black-clad police officer standing at the foot of his bed.

Then, says John Booth, he was told to keep his hands visible and to produce identification, asked questions about a man named Peter he had never met, detained on his lawn in handcuffs for half an hour, and informed he would be charged with the crime of conspiracy to commit mischief — before being released by apologetic officers who belatedly realized he had no connection with the alleged anarchist organizer they were seeking.

“There was a gun in my face. I’ll never forget that,” said Booth, 30, of an incident he and his wife described as exasperating, traumatic, and at moments terrifying.

“I woke up to two people in the hallway opening Finn’s room,” said Hanna, 31, who was sleeping in a different room from John to be close to her 6-month-old son. “And I didn’t believe they were cops, even when they showed me their badges. I thought, ‘That looks official, but how could a cop be in my home?’ Not ringing the doorbell — they’re in my room. I’m in my panties and a tank top, my kid’s screaming his head off, he’s so scared, the tension in the house — it was just the most horrible and absurd thing.”

The officers, John Booth said, were apparently unaware that his three-storey High Park-area house is split into two apartments. Booth, a vet at the Richview Animal Hospital, lives in the upper apartment with Hanna, a vet on the Toronto Humane Society board of directors, and their son. Organizers with the Toronto Community Mobilization Network, which is assisting G20 protest groups, live in the lower apartment.
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John Booth said the officers, who entered through an unlocked door, sidestepped repeated requests to show him a warrant. He said they alternately promised to produce it later, claimed to have showed it to someone else, or simply said no.
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Re: Thread for pics & video of the G20 riots in Toronto

Postby Jaboney » 29 Jun 2010, 01:41

Paikin's reporting, as it happened.
Steve Paikin's tweets from the night of wrote:I saw police brutality tonight. it was unnecessary. they asked me to leave the site or they would arrest me. i told them I was dong my job.
11:38 AM Jun 27th via web
they repeated they would arrest me if i didn't leave. as I was escorted away from the demonstration, I saw two officers hold a journalist.
11:38 AM Jun 27th via web
the journalist identified himself as working for "the guardian." he talked too much and pissed the police off. two officers held him....
11:39 AM Jun 27th via web
a third punched him in the stomach. totally unnecessary. the man collapsed. then the third officer drove his elbow into the man's back.

11:39 AM Jun 27th via web
no cameras recorded the assault. and it was an assault.
11:40 AM Jun 27th via web
the officer who escorted me away from the demo said, "yeah, that shouldn't have happened." he is correct. there was no cause for it.
11:40 AM Jun 27th via web
i can appreciate that the police were on edge today, after seeing four or five of their cruisers burned. but why such overreaction tonight?
11:41 AM Jun 27th via web
the demonstration on the esplanade was peaceful. it was like an old sit in. no one was aggressive. and yet riot squad officers moved in.
11:42 AM Jun 27th via web
police on one side screamed at the crowd to leave one way. then police on the other side said leave the other way. there was no way out.
11:43 AM Jun 27th via web
so the police just started arresting people. i stress, this was a peaceful, middle class, diverse crowd. no anarchists
11:44 AM Jun 27th via web
literally more than 100 officers with guns pointing at the crowd. rubber bullets and smoke bombs ready to be fired. rubber bullets fired
11:46 AM Jun 27th via web
I was "escorted" away by police so couldn't see how many arrested, but it must have been dozens.
11:47 AM Jun 27th via web
we must make a distinction between the "thugs" who broke store windows and torched cop cars and the very reasonable citizens who...
11:50 AM Jun 27th via web
...just wanted to remind the authorities that the freedom to speak and assemble shouldn't disappear because world leaders come to town.
11:50 AM Jun 27th via web
I have lived in toronto for 32 years. have never seen a day like this. shame on the vandals.
June 27, 2010 11:52:29 AM via web
and shame on those that ordered peaceful protesters attacked and arrested. that is not consistent with democracy in toronto, G20 or no G20
June 27, 2010 11:53:54 AM via web
2. Who specifically gave the order to clear the street? was that decision made on site or by a higher authority?
June 27, 2010 12:31:06 PM via web
3. Does the tor police svc have any evidence of dangerous acts from those demonstrators that forced them to act that way, at that time?
June 27, 2010 12:32:04 PM via web
if any journos are talking to the police chief on Sunday, those would be questions I'd like answered. ok, that's it. signing off tonight.
June 27, 2010 12:33:13 PM via web
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Re: Thread for pics & video of the G20 riots in Toronto

Postby Chuanzao El Ale Destroyer » 29 Jun 2010, 06:43

Good finds, Jaboney. :thumbsup:

It's sad that all the black bloc protestors have accomplished is property destruction, causing the police to treat ordinary citizens worse, and giving Canada a bad name in the international press. Oh, and probably decreasing the amount of tourists who want to visit Canada as well. They'll never succeed in turning Canada into one of the third-world dictatorships they admire so much, but you have to wonder if it's part of their endgame. They admire fascism, and they bring out fascist behavior in the cops in Canada. Hmmm.....

I hope the police let the peaceful people go soon. Hopefully their aim is to just round up a lot of people, recognize the cop=car burners and vandals from the video footage (and jail them) , and let the rest go.

I hope Canada never hosts another one of these things again. Whose bright idea was it?
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Re: Thread for pics & video of the G20 riots in Toronto

Postby Fortigurn » 29 Jun 2010, 07:07

Jaboney wrote:Wow. Lots of good links from Kinsella today.

Here's a video that everyone pissed off over the idiots in black should watch.
A peaceful crowd of protestors is standing around, singing O Canada. As soon as they finish, the riot squad charges:


I also would charge anyone singing 'O Canada'. But let's be realistic here, there was no violence. The police run towards the crowd, the crowd scatters, the police stop.

This editorial strikes me as spot on.


It's garbage. Idiotic references to 'gulag', 'ghost town' (clearly untrue), and the best part, 'frightening off good and decent citizens' for which no evidence whatever was provided (the irony here is that this means means all those peaceful protesters aren't 'good and decent citizens'), and the usual unsubstantiated claim 'having-police-in-the-city-makes-normal-people-violent-and-destroy-things'.

"The journalist identified himself as working for the Guardian," Paikin tweeted. "He talked too much and pissed the police off. Two officers held him. A third punched him in the stomach. Totally unnecessary. The man collapsed. Then the third officer drove his elbow into the man's back."


This is definitely wrong (though 'journalist' and 'Guardian' are surely mitigating circumstances), but it's typical of the kind of 'journalism' which covers the G20 summit. Despite all the outraged talk of police brutality, gulags, and disregard for human rights, every year it's the same, one or two minor incidents of police misconduct compared with streets of burning cars and destroyed shop fronts. The major difference between the police and the protesters is that the police are held responsible for their actions.
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Re: Thread for pics & video of the G20 riots in Toronto

Postby Jaboney » 29 Jun 2010, 08:36

Fortigurn wrote:The police run towards the crowd, the crowd scatters, the police stop.
And why are the police rushing a very peaceful crowd of protestors?

Fortigurn wrote:
This editorial strikes me as spot on.

It's garbage. Idiotic references to 'gulag', 'ghost town' (clearly untrue)
Echoed by multiple sources, included Toronto's mayor.

"The journalist identified himself as working for the Guardian," Paikin tweeted. "He talked too much and pissed the police off. Two officers held him. A third punched him in the stomach. Totally unnecessary. The man collapsed. Then the third officer drove his elbow into the man's back."


Fortigurn wrote:Despite all the outraged talk of police brutality, gulags, and disregard for human rights, every year it's the same, one or two minor incidents of police misconduct compared with streets of burning cars and destroyed shop fronts. The major difference between the police and the protesters is that the police are held responsible for their actions.
Really? You want to draw an equivalence between idiots in masks and the police. REALLY?? The police are held accountable? :lol: Between the RCMP and politicians in Canada, you'd think the politicians hold the whip hand. They don't.

A billion dollars spent, much of it on security, and the police did sweet fanny all to protect property (and the city's image) Saturday night, but turned out in force to bravely rush, arrest, and beat peaceful protestors Sunday. Brilliant.
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Re: Thread for pics & video of the G20 riots in Toronto

Postby Fortigurn » 29 Jun 2010, 12:54

Jaboney wrote:And why are the police rushing a very peaceful crowd of protestors?


To get them to break up and move on no doubt. But let's be clear, this wasn't the police brutality advertised. I'm disappointed.

Echoed by multiple sources, included Toronto's mayor.


Multiple sources parroting untruth doesn't suddenly make it true.

Really? You want to draw an equivalence between idiots in masks and the police. REALLY??


No, I'm doing the opposite. They aren't equivalent. There's a clear distinction in behaviour between the two, with the idiots in black masks consistently doing wrong, and the police only committing very occasional misdeeds. Furthermore, the police are accountable for their actions whereas the masked morons aren't. Not only that, but it is being argued that the police are responsible for the behaviour of the morons.

The police are held accountable?


They are indeed. Let me know when the laws in Canada change so that the police are no longer accountable for their actions. No one would bother videotaping them if they weren't responsible. We all know they are. They have name tags which are clearly visible, and they are held legally responsible for their actions.

Between the RCMP and politicians in Canada, you'd think the politicians hold the whip hand. They don't.


Is this saying 'In Canada, the police are not held legally responsible for their actions', or is it saying something else?

A billion dollars spent, much of it on security, and the police did sweet fanny all to protect property (and the city's image) Saturday night, but turned out in force to bravely rush, arrest, and beat peaceful protestors Sunday. Brilliant.


This is a gross misrepresentation. You make it sound as if the police deliberately neglected to engage the violent rioters, or even avoided them (in reality the violent rioters deliberately attacked property outside the secure zone), and that the sole aim of the police was to harrass and beat 'peaceful protestors'. But you haven't provided any evidence for this. You haven't even found any examples of peaceful protestors being beaten. Out of all the protests which took place on June 17, 21, 24, 25, 26, 27, and 28 (over 10,000 people and at least a dozen protests), show me all the peaceful protestors who were beaten by police. Meanwhile, which of the protestors who destroyed public and private property has taken steps to make themselves accountable for their actions?
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Re: Thread for pics & video of the G20 riots in Toronto

Postby Jaboney » 30 Jun 2010, 16:07

Fortigurn wrote:
Jaboney wrote:And why are the police rushing a very peaceful crowd of protestors?
To get them to break up and move on no doubt. But let's be clear, this wasn't the police brutality advertised. I'm disappointed.
Echoed by multiple sources, included Toronto's mayor.
Multiple sources parroting untruth doesn't suddenly make it true.
To be clear, I'm unimpressed by your disappointment and analysis. A peaceful crowd of protestors was provoked to panic and stampede. That's not only unnecessary, it's a recipe for serious injury when people -- including children -- are trampled.

Informed, respected sources providing similar accounts suggests that these reports are accurate.

Fortigurn wrote:
The police are held accountable?

They are indeed. Let me know when the laws in Canada change so that the police are no longer accountable for their actions. No one would bother videotaping them if they weren't responsible. We all know they are. They have name tags which are clearly visible, and they are held legally responsible for their actions.
Between the RCMP and politicians in Canada, you'd think the politicians hold the whip hand. They don't.

Is this saying 'In Canada, the police are not held legally responsible for their actions', or is it saying something else?

That's exactly that says.
History shows that real police accountability is rare, long-delayed, and seldom full.
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Re: Thread for pics & video of the G20 riots in Toronto

Postby Jaboney » 30 Jun 2010, 16:07

There's good reason not to trust the police. That's a serious problem.

CBC wrote:Toronto's police chief is admitting there never was a five-metre rule that had people fearing arrest if they strayed too close to the G20 security perimeter.

Civil libertarians were fuming after hearing Friday that the Ontario cabinet gave police the power to stop and search anyone coming within five metres of the G20 fences in Toronto for a one-week period.

However, the Ministry of Community Safety says all the cabinet did was update the law that governs entry to such places as court houses to include specific areas inside the G20 fences — not outside.

A ministry spokeswoman says the change was about property, not police powers, and did not include any mention of a zone five metres outside the G20 security perimeter.

When asked Tuesday if there actually was a five-metre rule given the ministry's clarification, Chief Bill Blair smiled and said, "No, but I was trying to keep the criminals out."
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All weekend there were reports of police stopping people throughout downtown Toronto — often in areas nowhere near the G20 zone — demanding identification and to search bags and backpacks.
Ah yes, the criminals.
And the press.
And peaceful protestors.

Lying to the public maybe a cute and effective tactic, but undermining public trust in the police over the long term makes for very poor strategy.
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Re: Thread for pics & video of the G20 riots in Toronto

Postby Fortigurn » 30 Jun 2010, 16:30

Jaboney wrote:To be clear, I'm unimpressed by your disappointment and analysis. A peaceful crowd of protestors was provoked to panic and stampede.


Panic and stampede? Do you mean 'turn around and run away'?

That's not only unnecessary, it's a recipe for serious injury when people -- including children -- are trampled.


I agree, and I sahre your disappointment that no such injuries appear to have been incurred, or children trampled.

That's exactly that says.


That's not exactly grammatical. Now I don't know what you mean. But it appears you agree the police in Canada are indeed accountable, and it disappoints you.

Jaboney wrote:There's good reason not to trust the police. That's a serious problem.


I got your club right here. :thumbsup:
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Re: Thread for pics & video of the G20 riots in Toronto

Postby Jaboney » 30 Jun 2010, 16:33

Fortigurn wrote:trolling

'Nothing but class' Fortigurn wrote:
Jaboney wrote:That's not only unnecessary, it's a recipe for serious injury when people -- including children -- are trampled.
I agree, and I sahre your disappointment that no such injuries appear to have been incurred, or children trampled.


Just for you, Fortigurn, here's footage of what happens when people are trampled. (Not) Sorry there's no images of children.


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