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Re: Israel / Palestine news

Postby cfimages » 18 May 2011, 09:14

Then retreat. Wait until things cool down, round em up and deport them.
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Re: Israel / Palestine news

Postby NewYorker » 18 May 2011, 09:45

cfimages wrote:Then retreat. Wait until things cool down, round em up and deport them.


Is that before or after one of them blows themselves up?
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Re: Israel / Palestine news

Postby cfimages » 18 May 2011, 11:05

NewYorker wrote:
cfimages wrote:Then retreat. Wait until things cool down, round em up and deport them.


Is that before or after one of them blows themselves up?


And so the cycle continues.

If you look at the history of the various intifada's over the past decade or so, you'll see that suicide bombing always follows violent, lethal action by the Israeli forces. Without that response from the military, the protests generally don't go much beyond rocks being thrown. The problem is when it escalates which firing on unarmed people is quite likely to cause.
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Re: Israel / Palestine news

Postby NewYorker » 18 May 2011, 11:13

Then retreat. Wait until things cool down, round em up and deport them.

Is that before or after one of them blows themselves up?

And so the cycle continues.

If you look at the history of the various intifada's over the past decade or so, you'll see that suicide bombing always follows violent, lethal action by the Israeli forces. Without that response from the military, the protests generally don't go much beyond rocks being thrown. The problem is when it escalates which firing on unarmed people is quite likely to cause.


In this case, it seemed that the lethal actions by Israeli forces were carried out in self-defense. It really is self-defense when you got a mob running after you. They don't need to retreat, they believe they are protecting there sovereignty. I mean I see this cycle continue over and over again, but there would be no lethal actions if these morons didn't storm these soldiers. If you see soldiers shooting in the air, which many can be seen as a warning, don't run after them.

The soldiers didn't even have to fire warning shots, they could have just shot.
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Re: Israel / Palestine news

Postby cfimages » 18 May 2011, 11:37

A mob of unarmed protesters is hardly a threat to sovereignty.
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Re: Israel / Palestine news

Postby NewYorker » 18 May 2011, 12:00

cfimages wrote:A mob of unarmed protesters is hardly a threat to sovereignty.


Great as long as they stay on there side of the fence you are absolutely right. The moment they cross the fence they need to comply with orders. These guys aren't grandmas and grandpas, they are young radicalized men, the moment they elude capture, one of them may very well harm civilians.
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Re: Israel / Palestine news

Postby Got To Be Kidding » 18 May 2011, 12:16

Please also remember that Israel has a long history of young men crossing the border illegally and perpetuating mass murder. Israel cannot allow uncontrolled border crossings.

The Israeli army, like armies all over the world, is trained to defend with lethal force. Anyone who attempts to confront an army with such training should understand what will happen.

If young Arab men make the obvious choice to engage in risky behavior... well, that's their decision isn't it?

Furthermore, the respective governments on the other side of these borders have a responsibility to uphold the laws and treaties that they have entered into. Syria knew exactly what it was doing when it allowed these young men to violate the law and attempt to enter Israel.

It looks like Israel is going to have to go back to laying mine fields again. :loco:
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Re: Israel / Palestine news

Postby cfimages » 18 May 2011, 12:17

NewYorker wrote:
cfimages wrote:A mob of unarmed protesters is hardly a threat to sovereignty.


Great as long as they stay on there side of the fence you are absolutely right. The moment they cross the fence they need to comply with orders. These guys aren't grandmas and grandpas, they are young radicalized men, the moment they elude capture, one of them may very well harm civilians.


Still not a threat to sovereignty.

The Israeli military regularly harms civilians but I don't see you condemning them.
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Re: Israel / Palestine news

Postby Got To Be Kidding » 18 May 2011, 12:19

cfimages wrote:A mob of unarmed protesters is hardly a threat to sovereignty.


No, but it is a threat to security. Israeli towns and villages are not far from these borders, and they have had way too much experience with what happens when young Syrians enter their towns.

A threat to sovereignty and a threat to security are two different things.

Edit: The Israeli army only harms civilians as a last resort. And, those in the Israeli army who do use unnecessary force are prosecuted in military tribunals.

The Israeli military judicial system is a vibrant one. Soldiers ARE prosecuted and sent to prison.
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Re: Israel / Palestine news

Postby cfimages » 18 May 2011, 12:22

Got To Be Kidding wrote:
cfimages wrote:A mob of unarmed protesters is hardly a threat to sovereignty.


No, but it is a threat to security. Israeli towns and villages are not far from these borders, and they have had way too much experience with what happens when young Syrians enter their towns.

A threat to sovereignty and a threat to security are two different things.


True. I said sovereignty in response to New Yorker who said

they believe they are protecting there sovereignty
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