GuyInTaiwan wrote:You weren't ever taking me seriously because I disagreed with your "gut". Don't patronise me. Stewart at al may be clever, funny, what-have-you, but they're just playing more of the same "gotcha" that everyone else is. "Oh, look at me, I'm so smug, I can call a bunch of arseclowns a bunch of arseclowns from the safety of my studio and if anyone asks me to put up or shut up then I'll just say, 'Hey, I'm only a comedian'".
They do not only practice gotcha (even though their gotcha is more of a factual hey look what Palin said today brand as opposed to the wholly opinionated crap FUX puts out. They have guests that reflect a far broader spectrum than FUX. They appear as guests on FUX. They point out inanity from the left as often as they can in a laudable attempt to keep things fair and balanced, even though the cornucopia of crap on tap from FUX dominates the scale. In the case of Maher, he always gives voice to the Bright
barts (sic) of the world with plenty of rope to auto-asphyxiate themselves, which they invariably do. And they don't call themselves journalists is to their credit. That FUX does is to their dishonour.
Define a "good" choice, or is that asking too much of your gut? From what I can see, fuck all has been done to really address the GFC. In fact, the foxes have been promoted to guarding the hen house. Remember "hope and change" and all that other rhetoric? More of the same bullshit...
I think to define good, we need to examine what you say next.
You can call Obama the lesser of two evils, but he's hardly a "good" choice. I don't see much progress on America's steady march towards insolvency. Even if the Republicans stop taking cheap shots in terms of trying to grind the nation's cash flow to a grinding halt,
While I completely agree that the debt is the major obstacle facing his admin, that's a pretty big "even if". And use of "trying" is wrong. They are grinding it to a halt, motivated only by self-preservation. A 'good" leader is motivated by what he weighs to be best for the people and the planet. Of course he has to play the game in this archaic two-party, electoral coolege anti-system you guys run down there, and that in itself is completly corrupted. So he protects his leadership using the tools needed for the job of ensuring he can stay on track.
"Even if"...well, isn't that the heart of this thread. Folding up the tent, ya? That's what I am asking. Let him do what he believes is right. If he fucks up, then the murkans can play their Trump card for all I care. But I believe if the right got out of the way as you are suggesting, he would get the economy back on track. Right now, he can't rein in Wall Street. They are still pulling the same shit that Bush's deregs gave them access to. So ya, the ship is sinking. The first hole was blown in the hull by the Iraq Invasion, and no matter how fast Barack Hussein Obama runs around plugging the holes, the right keeps blowing up more. Fer friggin real man....your all murkans, let him play offense for awhile. Even with all the right's torpedo's, he got OBL. In the eye. Cowboy style. How murkan is that? That alone should be enough to see a 2nd term. So with that as a possibility so real, I make this offer of wager. But would I wager that the right would fold up tent and let him try to win one for the gipper? Not a chance. In fact, I'd think about offering odds they continue to shackle him.
none of that will really address the fact that America is going to be in serious, serious trouble in the coming decades because of the rate at which the percentage of the GDP going towards servicing the national debt is growing. I've posted links in other threads with links to talks by Niall Ferguson where he shows projections from government agencies about this and how America is on track to follow Hapsburg Spain or the Ottoman Empire in this respect. Never mind that though, Obama is a "good" guy.
Agreed, murka is in dire straits. But I'd rather have Barack "The Sultan of Swing" Hussein Obama piloting the ship that The Donald "Industrial Disease" Trump, or Sarah "Money for Nothing" Palin. Again, I suggest folding up the tent, and learn how to compete in 2016.
Undoubtably, he has to deal with the jerks in the Republican Party who are simply being obstructionist for the sake of scoring cheap shots (but who ultimately don't give a shit if the ship sinks). However, if Obama and his team (including Stewart, et al) are so incredibly wonderful, why hasn't the American populace at large signed on? What happened during the last mid-terms (and I know there's typically a swing against the incumbent's party during mid-terms, but how does that reinforce the Obama as Jesus myth?) and do you really expect the Republicans to be completely wiped off the map next election?
Well, there is the heart of the wager, nu? I believe Obama will win a second term enough to put money on that one fact. I am not offering a wager as to whether or not sweeping house changes accompany that. That would be betting on murkan collective intelligence, long long odds for sure. The folding up the tent aspect is for discussion only, not wagering.
This is what I love about partisan hacks though. When the swing voters are buying their brand of bullshit, the independents are fucking geniuses and all round good guys. When they're buying the other party's brand of bullshit, the independents are stupid, evil, etc. or have been duped. That or everyone who voted for Bush back in the day has died and a huge, invisible voting bloc suddenly emerged one day and went, "Tada! We have arrived, and we're voting for 'the good guy'." Honestly dude, every election cycle in every country in the world, people are lining up to announce the irreversible decline and demise of a particular party, only to completely change face and announce their opposition's imminent and inevitable demise one or more election cycles later.
Partisan? Dude, I'm not even murkan. I am a humanist earthling, politically speaking. I think what murkans do affect the lives of all of us and so take an emotional interest in the truth. I think Barack Hussein Obama speaks the truth. I think 100% of the right's crop of candidates lie. From a strictly non-partisan POV, my friend. If I was murkan, I'd vote for a certain green party in Canada. As of yet, I have never seen a murkan I'd be assed to get off the couch to trudge to a polling station for. Until Barack Hussein Obama came along. If the right got the FUX outta they way, I'd think we'd see that hope and change y'all keep callin' him on. The debt is Bush's legacy and let's not pretend otherwise. He ain't perfect however. He's no Jesus-myth. (Nor was the original
) He should have fixed stuff faster, like Gitmo, Patriot Act, April 20th a National Holiday, gay-marriage, green energy, DEBT, etc....it's a long list of noncomplishments to be sure. I can't shake the feeling that this partisan stuff you accuse me of, should not be better aimed at the right. It's their hacks that have slowed down the hope and change. And why? Cling to power no matter the cost?
And about swing, independants, etc... I posit that elections are a-changin'. This is the twitterverse now. Demographics are gonna skew in this one folks. Up is down, in is out. It's a whole new ballgame. Be interesting to see. To that end, no, I don't want "the circus" to end. That's just my guilty pleasure schadenfreude talking.